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Annette Jimison
@Annette Jimison
11/09/08 00:47:16
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Enjoyable story behind Amedei Chocolate


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I am late to this. Searching for the top rated chocolate blogs and chocolate websites I ran across this story: "Appeared in the May 2006 Issue of Food and Wine" http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/the-worlds-best-chocolate The World's Best ChocolateAfter trying a chocolate so good it leaves him speechless, Pete Wells goes on an urgent tasting mission to cult Tuscan chocolatier Amedei.By Pete WellsLate last year, I grew curious about an Italian chocolate brand called Amedei. I mean curious in the same sense that sharks are curious about surfers. Amedei, founded in 1990, is the joint project of a 42-year-old Italian named Alessio Tessieri and his younger sister, Cecilia; he buys the cacao and she turns it into dark, glossy bars. In November, a competition in London awarded a gold prize to one of Cecilia's handiworks, a single-plantation chocolate called Chuao. Two other Amedei products tied for silver.Both the visionary French ptissier Pierre Herm and the visionary Spanish chef Ferran Adri have said that Chuao might, in fact, be the world's greatest chocolate. And yet Amedei is sold in only a handful of stores in the U.S., andwhile a new importer has big plans for the brandfew Americans have heard of it.How had the Tessieris vaulted from obscurity to produce chocolate in the same rarefied league as Cluizel, Scharffenberger and even the mighty Valrhona? And, more urgently, where could I get some?The second question had an easy answer: Chocosphere, World Wide Chocolate and other very handy Web sites for people who care about cacao content. A carton from Chocosphere containing just over a half pound of Amedei bars and squares ran me $50, with shipping. The next day, the whole box was gone. In my defense, I've seen engagement rings that came in bigger boxes. I knew that I wanted more, but at $100 a pound it would be cheaper to fly to Italy and go to the factory myself, which is what I did. This might make me the first traveler in history who went to Tuscany to save money on a candy bar.The Tessieris work about 40 miles west of Florence, close to the Arno, and not far from Pisa; the Italian wine and food magazine Gambero Rosso has called this region the Chocolate Valley because of the concentration of chocolatiers who work thereamong them Paul de Bondt, Roberto Catinari and Luca Mannori. The Chocolate Valley is not nearly as famous as other parts of Tuscany. For me, this only increased its allure. While other tourists inched through the vineyards of Chianti staring at the exhaust pipe of the rental car just ahead, I would be lazily bobbing along in a rowboat, dipping pieces of bread over the side into the world's biggest fondue.Amedei sits just outside Pontedera, where they build those stylish Vespa scooters that make even old Italians look young. Amedei's factory, a low brick structure, used to be an iron foundry. Alessio and Cecilia met me inside a tasting room, where a table was set with linen tablecloths and silver chargers. Two large jars were prominently displayed; filled with what looked like water, each held a large, red, heart-shaped object. Cecilia wore a severe suit of charcoal gray, a no-nonsense expression, and a red scarf; the factory was cold that day. Alessio's face was round and rosy, and his rimless eyeglasses made him look more like a graduate student than a chocolate baron.Trying to make small talk, I mentioned hearing that there were many other chocolate makers nearby.Alessio shook his head. "But those other companies do not make chocolate," he replied. "They buy it."In the lofty strata where Tessieri operates, "making chocolate" means that you make the chocolate. You import cacao beans from plantations. You roast them and husk them and grind the cacao nibs into a fine paste. You add sugar and grind some more. Finally you swirl the mixture in open tanks called conches, which smooths the texture while helping to blow off acids and other nasty flavors. It's complicated, demanding work, and few small companies even attempt it.Cecilia asked me to put on a hairnet, a plastic jacket and disposable blue booties, then led me downstairs to the factory. The machines, Swiss, Italian and German models painted ivory, clacked and hammered away, sounding like an orchestra of conga drums. A young guy with tattooed forearms strained to push sweetened cacao paste through a screen with a paddle. For some reason, the floor was painted blood red. The chocolate smell was so strong and pure I could barely think. Somehow I managed to remark to Alessio that these antique machines must limit the quantity of chocolate Amedei can make."The problem is not the machines," he said. "The problem is cacao. We can't find enough good cacao." Only by starting with prime cacao, he explained, can you achieve the quality and character that set Amedei apart from the candy makers, who buy bulk chocolate."Everyone said, why do you want to work so hard and invest in machinery?" Alessio explained. "Everyone said to make chocolate, you need to produce tons, not kilos. But this was a desire to do something unique."But that wasn't the Tessieris' only desire. When we simply love something we eat, it's natural to imagine that it was made from the same simple love. And often we're right, but the motives that drive people to work as hard as Alessio and Cecilia can sometimes be a little more complicated.The Tessieris did not set out to make chocolate. In the beginning, like the rest of the Chocolate Valley, they made candy. Their parents owned a business in Pontedera that sold pastry ingredients to bakers. Alessio and Cecilia went off on their own, but they didn't stray far. They rented a small room in town and began to experiment with what they call pralines and we call filled chocolates. Soon enough, they wanted to move to a higher gradethe highest grade they knew. So the brother and sister, who were still in their 20s, went to visit a chocolate maker they greatly admired.In 1991, Alessio and Cecilia made a pilgrimage to Tain l'Hermitage, in the Rhne Valley, for an appointment at Valrhona. The Tessieris were humored for a while, but when they were ready to make a deal, they were sent away with nothing. The French wouldn't even negotiate. According to Cecilia, they were told that Italy wasn't evolved enough to appreciate such extraordinary chocolate.It was a personal slight, a national insult, a call to arms. "Right then and there," Cecilia would later say, "it was war."Chlo Doutre-Roussel, the author of The Chocolate Connoisseur and one of the world's leading authorities on fine chocolate, uses another word to describe what came next: vendetta. "Everything Alessio does, he does with intensity," Doutre-Roussel says. "So this revenge became his focus. He put everythingthe family money, even his sisteron this project."Within three weeks, the Tessieris decided that they weren't going to buy chocolate anymorethey would make it. Cecilia apprenticed with bean-to-bar artisans around Europe. At first they bought cacao from brokers, but by 1997, Alessio had begun hunting it himself, from Ecuador to Madagascar to the Caribbean coast of Venezuela. This last region was especially rich with cacao of the first rank; a lot of money was at stake, and life could get rough. Four years ago, someone tried to murder a cacao buyer who worked with Valrhona, strafing his car with an automatic weapon and leaving him with a half-dozen gunshot wounds.The most famous Venezuelan cacao of all comes from Chuao. The trees of Chuao are shielded by mountains from all but the warm Caribbean breezes; the soil is naturally irrigated by three cascading rivers. Doutre-Roussel calls the region "one of the jewels of the earth." Besides the microclimate, Chuao has centuries-old traditions of harvesting and preparing cacao. First it's fermented to develop the compounds that will later blossom into rich aromatics, then it's laid out on the parvis in front of the village church to dry slowly in the sun. Because the farmers worked together as a cooperative, Chuao is one of the only places where a chocolate maker could buy, at one stroke, 9 to 10 tons of uniformly excellent cacao. Until recently, that chocolate maker was Valrhona. Today every last kilo of cacao from Chuao goes to Amedei.Alessio went around to the brokers and negotiated directly with the farmers' cooperative, offering to pay off their debts and triple the previous price for their beans. "By the time Valrhona realized, it was gone," Doutre-Roussel says.Cecilia transforms the beans of Chuao into chocolate that packs a sensory wallop I tend to remember for weeks. It's very aromatic, with a clarity and elegance more often found in wine and some single malts. One bar retails for just under nine dollars. Chuao represents just a fraction of Amedei's total output, yet it has made the Tessieris famous.The story of how Amedei eloped with Chuao and sent the wedding pictures to Tain l'Hermitage isn't exactly a vision of sugar plums, but the chocolate industry has a long history of wars, most of them far more brutal. Steve DeVries, a bean-to-bar chocolate maker from Denver, used to say that the Spanish arrived in Mexico and threatened, "Give us your cacao or we'll shoot you." Hunting beans in Mexico, DeVries repeated the remark to an anthropologist. "No, no, no," the anthropologist said. "Before that, the Aztecs came down and said 'Give us your cacao or we'll cut your hearts out.'"Even today, the chocolate trade looks a lot like it did in colonial days: Raw materials bought at generally low prices in the tropics are shipped to the developed world and turned into a luxury product. Today, three of the largest importers of cacao to America are fighting a lawsuit filed by a human rights group claiming that they buy beans harvested by child slaves, mostly in the nation of Ivory Coast. Several journalists have contended that the extent of slavery in the cacao industry has been overblown, but it's hardly comforting to hear that the number of slaves who helped make your afternoon snack has been exaggerated. Without doubt, adults and children on some cacao farms, particularly in West Africa, perform demanding, exhausting work for awful pay.Most chocolate makers know nothing about where their cacao comes from. A former consultant for a well-regarded European chocolate maker told me that until last year, the firm's cacao buyer had never been to a plantation. Farmers sell to brokers who sell to bigger brokers; by the time the cacao reaches the factory, nobody knows its story. Sometimes this arrangement allows growers to mistreat workers without accountability. It also can allow them to get the same price for unripe, rotting or generally trashy beansat their worst, these are known as "dogs and cats"that they get for the good stuff."We became convinced it was impossible to become number one in the world buying beans from brokers," Alessio says. "The broker cannot tell you who grew the beans, or how it was done." I don't take Alessio for a weepy humanitarian, and yet he practices enlightened self-interest when it comes to the people who grow his cacao. He has invested in Chuao, agreeing to pay off the farmers' mounting debts and buying baseball uniforms for the local team. He needs their best work so that he and Cecilia can do their best work.Back upstairs in the room marked Degustazione, I stripped off my shower cap and booties and sat down across the table from Cecilia. For a long time, neither of us spoke."So," Cecilia finally said. "You want to try the chocolate?"She walked to the sideboard and pulled down three trays, each arrayed with a different cru. Valrhona was the first to borrow that wine term and apply it to chocolate; Amadei uses it to describe bars made with beans from the same region. Amedei's Grenada I Cru was quiet and had something about it that reminded me of raspberries. The Jamaica was stronger and made me think of pipe tobacco; so did the Venezuela, but it also had a durable aftertaste of good black coffee. Then Cecilia offered me a tray of the first chocolate she made, called Toscano Black 70 percent. This time, I had trouble picking individual voices out of the choir. I mostly remember the overall sensation of getting all the deliciousness any sane person could want.All the while, I'd been looking at the red heart-shaped objects that were floating in the two big jars. I kept thinking about the Aztecs. At last I asked Alessio what they were. "Cacao pods," he said. "In formaldehyde so they do not dry up." The one off in a corner behind the door was a unique Venezuelan variety called Porcelana. The other, placed on a low table next to all the trays of chocolate, gleamed and glistened like a trophy. That one was Venezuelan too, Alessio said with a smile. It came from Chuao.Find more information about Amedei at amedei-us.com.Pete Wells is a contributing editor to Food & Wine. E-mail comments to him at pete.is.hungry@gmail.com.
updated by @Annette Jimison: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Bhuvan
@Bhuvan
01/13/09 00:10:22
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Indian Cacoa


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HI RajiI will like to contact you in person, kindly advice your contact details with phone number.I am from Bangalore, I had also emailed you, hope you have received my mail.Looking froward to hearing from you. My email is emailbhuvan@gmail.comRegardsBhuvan
Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
@Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
12/16/08 07:15:35
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Indian Cacoa


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Hi Omkar,You don`t need any govt permission or such things to grow Cacoa in this country. What you need is land and materials. Here in my area (west coast , close to port city Mangalore) it is easy to get Cocoa plants. Wet Cacoa seeds germinate easily. If your area is hot and humid , I feel you can grow Cacoa. You may try with agriculture dept nurseries or else Cadbury centers. Hope this information helps.Raji.
Omkar
@Omkar
12/12/08 06:04:58
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Indian Cacoa


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Hi Rajeshwari, I am Omkar Gogate from Mumbai. I learn that you are a Cacao Grower in India. It is an interesting fact because very few indians know about any cocoa grown at home. Well I am interested to know if Cocoa can be grown in the Coastal region of Konkan, Maharashtra? What are Government requirements for growing cocoa? and availability and legality of aquiring the seeds? I request you to please give me this information.
Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
@Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
12/11/08 20:28:28
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Bette,Sorry for the delay. Can you please give me your Email id. Please write me at rajisullia@yahoo.co.inRaji.
Bette
@Bette
12/02/08 08:03:19
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Indian Cacoa


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Raji, thank you for your reply. I did not hear back from you in a few days and I forgot to check back after that time due to our recent American Holiday, Thanksgiving. I'm sorry for the delay in my reply.I hope that you are not personally touched by the recent events in your country: such un-necessary heartache.I do not know anything about the prices of cocoa beans in India. What do the big chocolate companies usually pay the growers per Kg - of do they buy it by the ton?In your reply to a separate inquiry from Erin, I realize that I need to ask the form of your cocoa beans. Do you ferment them yourself? I would be interested in beans ready to roast, but I could learn to ferment them myself, if necessary. Perhaps they need to be fermented before leaving your country, because I understand that such a process kills any bacteria they might contain.When you use the term: 'wet Cocoa beans', I believe that you mean the un-fermented bean, yes?How far do you take your chocolate product yourself? Do you make chocolate bars or cocoa powder?I am interested and prepared to import some of your product. I have the FDA registered separate storage facility to receive such a shipment. We would have to agree upon a price and an amount and I would need to check on the form the beans need to be in to enter this county.If you need an export license on your end, I hope that will not be too costly or troublesome for you. What is the state of your shipment services from your country? Our USPS has flat-rate boxes for international shipments.I also am still willing to share in the importing of some of your beans with other 'The Chocolate Life' members if there are any takers out there.I await your reply and I am willing to e-mail you off of this site.
Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
@Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
11/24/08 08:29:23
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Indian Cacoa


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Erin, I am from South India. Most of the Cacoa growers sell wet Cacoa beans to either Cadbury or other chocolate gaints like Amul, CAMPCO, which are cooperatives. A few farmers ferment and sundry their produce and then sell it.Raji.
Erin
@Erin
11/18/08 15:47:43
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Indian Cacoa


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Rajareshwari, I would be interested in learning more about what you are doing with Cacao in India. You mentioned you are both a Chocolatier and a cacao grower. Where are you growing the cacao in India and what processing are you doing with the cacao? BTW, nice pod pictures!
Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
@Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
11/15/08 21:33:33
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Indian Cacoa


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Bette, I grow Cacoa commercially. I am not a keen Organic grower. If you wish I can send you a couple of Kgs of Cocoa beans by Courier. If you are really interested in Indian Cocoa I can export as much volume as you need. Right now I don`t have export license. It will take a while to obtain it. Let me know the probable price too.Raji.
Bette
@Bette
11/13/08 11:31:39
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Rajarajeshwari, are you interested in exporting some of your cocoa beans to the USA?How much cocoa do you grow? Is it just enough for your use? Would you be able and interested in expanding your cocoa growing orperation if you had an increase demand for your product?I have a commercial building that is registered with the US FDA as a storage facility for imported food products.We would have to agree upon an amout of product for an initial order and register that shipment prior to it being shipped. I can send a wire transfer to pay for the shipment with the proper bank routing.I would be willing to order a sample shipment of your cocoa beans and share this opportunity with other 'Chocolate Life' members, especially Sarah Hart & Madame Cocoa.How do you grow your beans? Are they organic? How do you ferment them?As Madame Cocoa asks, 'Do you have any pictures to post?'
Madame Cocoa
@Madame Cocoa
11/12/08 21:34:52
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Hi Rajarajeshwari (anything for short?). Let's start talking about it!! I am so excited to see this, because I was in Tamil Nadu in April, and learned of a friend of a friend who was growing cacao in Kerala. I went to Goa but was unable to explore further. Where is your business (as a chocolatier) and where is your cacao grown? Do you do small scale processing on your own or sell your beans? Do you have any pictures to post? Tell us more!
Sarah Hart
@Sarah Hart
11/11/08 18:37:10
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Indian Cacoa


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I would love to know more about Indian cacao, but I do not think it is widely available, at least in the US. I have coffee in my shop and we use an Indian coffee called "thogarihunkle" and I wondered about an Indian cacao to pair with it.
Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
@Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje
11/07/08 08:27:06
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I wonder why Indian Cacoa is not discussed in Chocolatiers Forums . Is it because it is not exported ?I am a professional Chocolatier and Cacoa grower as well.Most of the trees here are Forestero variety.
updated by @Rajarajeshwari Kainthaje: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Carlos Eichenberger
@Carlos Eichenberger
11/08/08 08:15:27
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Growing Cacao Trees


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Cacao requires a very moist and warm climate to thrive. In Arizona it would be quite the endeavor because of your extremely dry climate. It would certainly mean having the tree(s) in a climate-controlled greenhouse with misting and other humidity enhancers.
Annette Jimison
@Annette Jimison
11/06/08 23:49:26
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Growing Cacao Trees


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I so would like to grow my own cacao trees. I guess once smitten by the whole process, you want to look into the feasibility of growing a few of your own. Yes, just to have them, at first. But, what if they take to your area? What parts of the states are good for raising cacao trees? Are there any "hot-house" trees, i.e., greenhouse grown? This would be interesting to me. Where would a person find cacao trees, male and female, and/or self-pollinating (is that the correct term?) to start with?I think once you are truly smitten by this passion, (it's more than a hobby or business, it truly is), having a few trees of your own is understood. Just like wanting to make your own chocolate from bean to bar.At a new job that I started today, I shared that my hobby is "manufacturing chocolate", and the response was just as wonderful as you would expect. This is nice. I even have a few that want to come over when I am roasting the beans to see what is done.I can't wait to start sharing this with them. Perhaps we can develop a group of some sort locally of people who want to explore this together!!! I would so love that, even if I cannot grow a couple of trees where I live right now, I can definitely share this passion with others!


updated by @Annette Jimison: 05/02/15 14:22:05
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
01/06/10 21:16:09
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Cocoa beans at great prices


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I was actually replying to Eric's post. Sorry for any confusion!
Paul Mosca
@Paul Mosca
01/06/10 18:33:20
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I think I misunderstood the request. When you said Hi Eric, did you mean me Paul?
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
12/30/09 03:50:07
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Hi Eric,I am still interested in purchasing cacao from you, if you have any interest?Steve
Jim2
@Jim2
12/29/09 16:52:40
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Robbie,I am a cacau farmer living in Brazil and export superior beans. When you speak of "large amounts" what does that mean? Sacks? Tons? Containers?You can contact me direct at cacaufarmer@yahoo.combest regardsJim Lucas
updated by @Jim2: 09/08/15 16:42:40
Robert Stout
@Robert Stout
12/29/09 15:48:53
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Eric,Is it possible to sample some of these? Is there somewhere on this site that we can purchase large amounts of beans? Or is that something that needs to be taken care of over the phone?Thanks,Robbie
Paul Mosca
@Paul Mosca
05/29/09 11:10:40
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I use a Ultra Pride +. I saw one on the Biong Biong Video for TCHO. It works well. I like it for its size. You can take to to demonstrations and let people dip into it for a sample of the chocolate liquor.One thing though, adding organic sugar causes a lot of sugar bloom. I'm not sure if the grinder is really that good at disbursing the moisture content in organic sugar. Something to pay attention too for sure.
Alison Holland
@Alison Holland
03/29/09 15:02:48
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Any chance of shipping to New Zealand? Costs etc?
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
02/24/09 10:17:42
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Anthony:It makes very little sense, economically or timewise, to get beans shipped here to the US and then ship them to South Africa. I think you're better off sourcing them from a grower in Africa.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
02/24/09 10:15:21
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Adriana:Eric classified the flavors.:: Clay
Anthony
@Anthony
02/24/09 03:58:28
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Cocoa beans at great prices


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HiI am also interested in acquiring some of these beans, especially the organic raw beans as Steve has asked for. And I would also like to ask if you ship to South Africa? Many thanks.
Tom
@Tom
02/22/09 20:02:56
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Check out www.chocolatealchemy.com it has all the info there on grinders etc.
kwasi sefa
@kwasi sefa
02/20/09 11:48:06
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DEAR TOMI AM FROM GHANA WEST AFRICA AND I AM INTRESTED IN PROCESSING OF COCOA ON A LARGE SCALE BASIS AND I HAVE [POSTED ON THE FORUM LOOKING FOR INVESTORS .BY THE WAY I READ YOUR POST AND I WILL BE INTRESTED TO KNOW HOW YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW ME THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT ONE WILL NEED TO MAKE NON COMMERCIAL HOME CHOCOLATE AT HOME I WILL APPRECIATE ANY ASSISTANCE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE TO ME
Adriana Leal
@Adriana Leal
01/25/09 17:59:35
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Hi Eric,I am a cocoa farmer in Bahia,Brasil.I would like to know who classified the cocoa flavour.Thks,Adriana Leal
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
12/05/08 03:37:11
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Cocoa beans at great prices


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Hi Eric, Any updates on your stock?Sacred
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
11/04/08 10:37:39
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Ok, great. Thanks for the info. I need a really clean bean, since I use the husk in my chocolate. Do you have any really clean beans that look like almonds they are so clean? A 3 day ferment on the Criollos is fine and a 7 day ferment on the Foresteros is fine. I just have to taste them to make sure. Can you send any samples of a super clean bean that is certified organic? I will look at any varieties and fermentation levels you have.
Eric Durtschi
@Eric Durtschi
11/04/08 10:04:37
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There are also some criollo organic from Mexico and Peru. Not in stock but I can get them.
Eric Durtschi
@Eric Durtschi
11/04/08 09:54:37
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I am not aware of any at this time that have a fermentation of over 10 days. There are some criollo organic from Dominican and the Madagascar beans are not true criollo but their parent plants were criollo so they are an excellent choice. The others that are criollo are not organic certified yet. Panama is organic but not criollo.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/04/08 09:39:05
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Steve:I read what you are saying but I don't understand it. The standard fermentation range for all cacao beans is about 3-7 days with Criollos being on the short end and Forasteros on the long end.Asking for 14-day fermentation for Criollos does not make any sense at all as they would be putrid. 14-days for Forastero/Trinitario? Ditto.Zero I can understand because if they are not fermented you can guarantee that they will be raw.
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
11/04/08 09:21:07
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Hi Eric, What is the origin of your criollo? Do you happen to know the paticular varietal? I actually need all fermenation levels from zero fermentation to about an 8 to 14 day ferment depending on the varietal. Unfortunately, my hands are tied regarding organic certification. Since we are certified, we need to stick with certified beans. Can you still provide?Hearts,Sacred Steve
Eric Durtschi
@Eric Durtschi
11/04/08 06:25:44
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I can get some criollo beans raw. Most of them are fermented but if I know ahead of time that you want some raw, I can arrange that with the plantations I work with. Many of the beans I sell are organic but some of them have not done the paperwork as it is a long and drawn out process.
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
11/04/08 01:41:56
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Hi Eric, Do you sell any certified organic beans that are considered raw? Do you sell any Criollo varieties?Hearts,Sacred Steve
Tom
@Tom
11/03/08 18:44:58
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Thanks that is great.Do you ship to Australia? If not would you consider it? How much for shipping?
Eric Durtschi
@Eric Durtschi
11/03/08 16:37:39
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Cocoa beans at great prices


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Here is a brief descriptor of the beans offered here. For more specific onformation just ask and I'd be happy to respond.DR Hispaniola - Luscious, earthy toned bean with a lot of complexity. Fruity as well as hints of rum and green tea with a nice cocoa aroma.DR Sanchez This is the same bean used in the Hispaniola with the exception that this bean is not fermented. Just sun dried.Mexican Tabasco - Savory, meaty, mouthwatering a very pleasant earthy aroma, with very little astringency. A bit tangy. Dont be afraid to give these a full roast but dont roast them until they popPanama Light fruitiness (apple and fig), earthy and classic cocoa taste. Not too complex and just enough bitterness to balance). Medium roast for best flavor.Madagascar - Light chocolate flavor with intense flavor notes of citrus and raspberry. Be careful with the roast. Youll have to toy with it but a little under roasted or over roasted makes a huge difference with this bean.Ecuador Nacional - Delicate cacao flavor, accented by a perfumed floral scent and lovely floral tones including a dominant jasmine note and nutty after-tones.Ecuador CCN-51 A great overall bean. Classic cocoa taste and aroma. Not too complex.Rio Caribe - A Trinitario bean grown near the Rio Caribe, in the Sucre State of Venezuela. This cacao has a slight dark tone and a refreshing bitterness. Common flavors are coffee, almonds, slight red fruits, and pure cocoa.Sur Del Lago - This cacao is hearty and robust, and bears an extreme dark tone with flavors of butter, hazelnuts, and red fruits plus floral tones.Carenero Superior Fairly smooth and well rounded. The two best characteristics of this bean are the cherry like taste and the aroma of sweet tobacco.Ivory Coast This cacao has classic chocolate aroma with hints of coconut and dark spice. This can handle a little darker roast. Feel free to let it pop. It will bring a nice depth to your chocolate.Ghana This cacao has classic earthy chocolate and light vanilla aroma. There is also a hint of peach while roasting.Papua New Guinea This is an interesting bean. They are smoke dried and not sun dried. They taste a little like bacon and leather. Very interesting.
Tom
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11/02/08 20:49:08
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Cocoa beans at great prices


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Clay I noticed that you are selling small amounts of beans. I make chocolate at home and am interested in trying some of the origins. I was wondering if anyone else here had used them to make chocolate and what they thought about them. A little speil about what flavours to expect, heavy or light roasting, why you chose those beans to sell would be great. I can roughly gather what they would be like by experience with tasting chocolate and making using similar origins and what I have read but I want something to draw me in and get me excited about choosing one and giving it a go.
updated by @Tom: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Melanie Boudar
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02/03/09 21:17:53
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Thanks I know they have it but have you used it? Do you know how the colors turn out?I don't want to spend $20 a bottle for drab colors. My customers like the color. They say they want natural things but thats not what they buy.
Paul E
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02/03/09 20:58:14
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chefrubber.com has natural CB
Paul E
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02/03/09 20:56:14
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Chefrubber.com is the answer
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