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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
01/04/16 12:47:57
1,696 posts

It Was Never About the Beards


Posted in: Opinion


By Simran Sethi and Clay Gordon


The Mast Brothers were in the right place at the right time with the right product and the right image. Clay made  this observation  back in 2012; they captured the cultural zeitgeist perfectly, guiding and riding the wave they expertly caught. But change any one aspect of that picture and the Bros may have had less success. Take away Williamsburg, the flannel and, yes, the beards they claim were  grown on a bet  about the amount of chocolate they sold. What you have is chocolate built upon the work of others, heralded by journalists and cool hunters hungry to rave about a hot new thing—some of whom are now indulging in gleeful  schadenfreude  about the takedown.

There are many reasons to be disappointed in the Mast Brothers. They were willfully dishonest about which, if any, of their chocolates were bean-to-bar (as chronicled in exquisite detail by Scott Craig in his  four-part series ). This is an affront to any chocolate maker dedicated to the painstaking process of sourcing beans from various origins, paying for shipping (a much greater expense for smaller makers who do not have economies of scale) and then working through the laborious process of transforming the seeds of the cacao pod into chocolate.

It takes about 400 beans, or approximately 11 pods, to make 1 pound of chocolate. The seeds we call beans are roasted, cracked to release the cocoa nib, and then shelled (winnowed) to remove the papery husk. Next, the nibs are ground into a paste known as cocoa liquor, which can be directly processed into chocolate or pressed to separate the fat (cocoa butter) from the non-fat solids. The resulting “presscake” is processed into cocoa powder which can later be recombined with cocoa butter to make chocolate or with vegetable oils, like palm oil, rendering a much lower-quality product (that cannot be called chocolate in the U.S.)

The cocoa bean contains between 47 and 54 percent fat—a stable fat with a long shelf life, one that’s solid at room temperature but starts to melt in our mouths or under our touch. Its stability means it’s coveted not only in chocolate but also as an ingredient in medical and beauty products. The butter can have a mild to very present cocoa flavor, depending on the way it’s processed, and is the only part of the bean used to make “white” chocolate.

Butter separated out from the powder is often added back during the chocolate-making process because fat—glorious fat—makes the chocolate creamier and, as the carrier of cocoa’s aroma compounds, more flavorful. (Interestingly, some craft chocolate makers do not add any cocoa butter to their recipes, thinking that added butter detracts from the “true nature” of the cocoa bean.)

The resulting mass (with any added ingredients—sugar and, perhaps, vanilla) is now the texture of coarse mud. As it’s refined, the size of the cocoa and sugar particles get progressively smaller. Conching (most often a separate step from refining) improves texture and tames harshness by evaporating off unwanted volatiles and fostering chemical reactions that can create delicate aromas and flavors.

A chocolate with particles over 30 microns will register on our tongues as gritty. Through refining, a cocoa liquor that starts out with particles in the 100 to 150 micron range is, ideally, reduced down to between 18 and 22, resulting in a smooth texture. That sensation influences the entire experience of flavor. “The whole process of making chocolate is to break down particle size and expose flavor,” explains Trinidadian chocolate maker Matthew Escalante. “Every step of processing changes the possibilities.”

The next step is tempering: forcing the fat crystals in the cocoa butter to line up in a specific shape through a controlled combination of heating and cooling. This increases the chocolate’s sheen and intensifies its snap. Tempering is tricky; if the chocolate isn’t tempered properly, it has a greater chance of getting fat bloom, the whitish coating or splotches caused by cocoa butter separating out of the chocolate. After tempering comes the sublime moment when the tempered liquid chocolate is poured into molds, cooled and—finally—packaged for consumption.

You can see why chocolate makers would be frustrated by anyone melting down pre-made  couverture chocolate and claiming they’d had a hand in the entire process. This work is arduous.  Through unclear labeling, Mast Brothers allowed consumers to assume all bars were made from beans they had sourced. They were not; they fudged the truth. 

By 2006, about the time the Bros turned their attention to chocolate, the real pioneers of the American craft chocolate movement— Scharffen Berger  first of all; then John Nanci’s  Chocolate Alchemy  and his work with  Santha  and  Crankandstein.net  to solidify the first end-to-end micro-batch craft chocolate production pathway; and chocolate makers including  Steve DeVries Art Pollard Shawn Askinosie Alan McClure , et al.; and even Clay’s own chocophile(.)com ( now TheChocolateLife.com )—had done all the necessary preparatory groundwork. Work that had, in turn, been built on the efforts of  Valrhona Cluizel Bonnat Pralus Bernachon Domori El Rey , and  Vintage Plantations  (the list stretches on), plus the community around Martin Christy’s  seventypercent.com .

In essence, the required foundation had already been laid for them, the path already paved, and the market proven—chocolate could pretty much be made by anyone. But chocolate is a product almost everyone loves, but few actually know anything about when it comes to sourcing or production. A product with none of the universally accepted sensory evaluation criteria that has been long established in wine and coffee.

Was it done out of wondrous fascination for the purity of what they made in the cloistered atmosphere of the apartment where they first started experimenting? Or was it with an awareness of a unique market opportunity? Probably a combination of the two:

  • right place;
  • right time;
  • right product—with no established local competition; and
  • right image—where the Masts really set themselves apart.

The beards were distinctive; they solidified the Iowa-farmboy-cum-Amish/Hipster personae that the brand gelled around. The tattoos didn’t hurt, nor did the puzzling (at least for Iowa farm boys) nautical references.

And then there was the wrapping on the chocolate. The paper gave a tangible aura of quality, gravitas, even  value  to the chocolate—a characteristic that their early attempts at chocolate making did not possess. (And, many would argue, the product still lacks.) There was and is something about opening up the wrapper of a Mast Brothers chocolate bar that lends credence to what’s inside, that says, “Take notice of me. I am important!”

Was the packaging any better (or more authentic?) than what Shawn Askinosie was doing at the time? Shawn was putting pictures of actual farmers on his labels, naming people and identifying the real communities from which his cacao was sourced, and closing the wrappers with threads from the jute bags in which the beans had been transported from origin to Missouri. His wrappers were (and are) physical artifacts—a tangible bridge between the farmer, the end product and the consumer.

We may never understand how and why the Masts thought it necessary to start gilding the lily—or perhaps, more appropriately, the paper—but at some point they did. The most cursory examination of the chronology shows that the equipment and methods needed to make craft chocolate from the bean had been created well before the brothers started experimenting in their apartment.

Did they invent the bean cracker they used? Nope. The barley mill for home beer makers they purchased from Crankandstein was modified at the request of John Nanci. Using a hair dryer to winnow? Also John Nanci. Using a Champion juicer as a pre-grinder? John Nanci again. Using Santhas as grinders? Guess who. The  CPS winnower  they bought? Not John Nanci, but the Masts had no hand in its design. The winnower  they claim to have built ? A modified Brooklyn Cacao Vortex Winnower.

In short, almost every claim they have made about their roles in equipment innovation and processes of craft chocolate making are, to put it politely, embellishments. Or, to put it plainly, misappropriation. They were creating a myth and they spun it of whole cloth because, for one reason or another, no one called them out on it publicly. There was no little boy pointing out that the emperor was not wearing any clothes. Chocolate makers were whispering this to themselves, but not one journalist turned the whispers to shouts  until earlier this year .

As a result, the unknowing and unsuspecting public continued to grow mesmerized by gossamer tales woven of sheer fabrication, regardless of what their own intuition or taste buds told them. Mast Brothers were the “it boys.” Surely if the New York Times and renowned chefs, such as Thomas Keller, thought so, it must be true. Our own sensory experience—at least the one that culminated in our own mouths—could not be trusted.

Simran  (a relative newcomer to the world of chocolate who cared less about expert opinion than she perhaps should have) explored this in May of 2015, when she started to tease apart taste in her book  Bread, Wine, Chocolate: The Slow Loss of Foods We Love :  “Cacao from Papua New Guinea is often dried on beds heated by diesel or wood, both of which can impart hammy or oily tastes to the beans because fats absorb odor. These are defects, the kinds of things most chocolate makers, particularly those concerned about flavor,  don’t  want because they mask aromas inherent in the beans. Yet one maker—who has gotten a lot of media attention and puts its chocolate in the most beautiful of wrappers—has decided to turn this defect into an attribute, repackaging the off-flavor as a novelty by highlighting the smokiness of the bar. Many craft makers who work closely with farmers on improving drying techniques and eradicating those off- flavors question if this is something we should celebrate—if, by buying into the smoke, it’s making it harder for producers who are trying to improve the taste of their beans. This is a question only we, the eaters, can answer, but it’s important to recognize we’re vulnerable to external influences, including hype and packaging.”

2008 study  by neuroscientist Hilke Plassmann and her colleagues reaffirms our vulnerability: We tend to enjoy identical products more when they’re priced higher or highlight positive “expectations of ... pleasantness.” This doesn’t just happen in our mouths and noses but also in our brains.

This isn’t to say we shouldn’t try a wide range of chocolates, but if we’re going to expend time and money and take in calories, we should know what our investment is supporting. We should try to understand where the flavors come from—and what good farming and processing practices taste like in order to understand  why  we love what we love.

We understand people wanted to believe the story that two brothers, toiling away in their Brooklyn apartment, had discovered something new and pure, something that never before existed. It’s part of why many were so willing to overlook and excuse the discrepancies and write them off to youthful frat boy hijinks, an aberration long in their ancient past.

The Masts now claim they were open about melting Valrhona as part of their early experimental years, before moving into their first workshop. Once they settled into their brick-walled storefront on North 3rd Street in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, their refrain became, “Trust us, 100% bean-to-bar.”

Trust us …  now .

If a company positions itself as an “authentic” “bean-to-bar” chocolate maker obsessed with integrity, purity and every little detail (from how the cocoa is sourced right through to the wrapping), then  any  bar produced that strayed from that storyline should have been clearly identified. That is very different from being “open” about re-melting only if and when asked. The vast majority of people who purchased products in the early days were not knowledgeable enough about production to make those inquiries. They accepted the statements made about the product at face value—statements that were not honestly represented on the labels of at least some of the products.

To rebuild trust with chocolate makers and consumers, the brothers need to document their trips to origin. They claim they source directly from the best farms in the world, yet the names of specific farms and details on varietals are conspicuously absent from their wallpapered labels, their website or any other source that can be found.

Yes, Venezuela is an origin, but if you were sourcing Chuao, or an Ocumare, or Cuyagua, Carenero, Sur del Lago, or a Guasare why wouldn’t that be featured prominently? Perú does produce some terrific cocoa, but if the Masts were using some of the best—say Cacao Gran Blanco from Piura or Marañon—why isn’t that information prominently featured? Craft chocolate makers mention specific origin and varietals whenever they can because it’s what sets them apart and helps consumers ascertain value. Where are the proud photos of the bearded brothers at origin, working with “their” farmers? Or, as they proudly proclaim, sailing said beans from origin? It’s economically unsustainable to sail a small cargo of beans from Papua New Guinea, Madagascar or even the Dominican Republic on a regular basis to Brooklyn. What is also out of the economic reach of most makers is what Rick Mast boasted about claiming they once paid ten times the market price for beans. If they actually paid that price at the farm gate, we would be truly impressed. But if a significant portion of that cost is tied up in transportation and other costs, then it’s far less impressive.

So, why do we care? We are not makers. We have no professional axe to grind.

Our motivation is simply to clear up misconceptions: The Masts dished it out, and most of us gobbled it up.

But through their assertions, Mast Brothers make it much harder for chocolate makers who do actual good works to flourish. And it makes it harder for us to do the work we want to do in supporting quality chocolate and makers with integrity.

Too much #mastsplaining.

Take Shawn Askinosie. He profit shares with his farmers. He has created self-sustaining school lunch programs in communities from which he buys cocoa.  Or Gianluca Franzoni of Domori, who works with the Franceschi family to preserve endangered strains of cacao in Venezuela. Volker Lehmann’s work with cacao silvestre in Bolivia and Marañon in Peru. Ingemann in Nicaragua. Graig Sams, Gregor Hargrove and company well before anyone else had their eyes directed toward Belize. Or the efforts of the  Cocoa Research Centre  in Trinidad,  CATIE  in Costa Rica or the hundreds of other conservationists and farmers working to conserve the very best varieties of cacao.

The Mast Brothers consciously and deliberately set themselves apart from the rest of the craft chocolate community. When asked by journalist Megan Giller about critics, Rick Mast glibly replied,  “We are a dangerous company because we are outsiders to the chocolate industry, never leaning on industry norms.” 

Given the meticulousness that has gone into crafting every other aspect of the brand, it’s hard not to conclude that the adoption of this position is just another aspect of the brand. As self-proclaimed dangerous outsiders, the company justifies operating under a different set of principles—and different measures of accountability—than other craft chocolate makers. Rather than replying to the press storm with openness and transparency, they have r esponded  by turning inward and closing their doors tighter shut. Their response reinforces that what the Bros may be remembered for is their branding—the beards and the paper—not their chocolate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Simran  Sethi is the author of Bread, Wine, Chocolate: The Slow Loss of Foods We Love a book about the rich history—and uncertain future—of what we eat. Sethi is also a former visiting scholar at Trinidad’s Cocoa Research Centre housing the largest collection of cacao in the world. 


updated by @Clay Gordon: 01/04/16 17:53:16
Honmeid
@Honmeid
01/04/16 12:41:06
2 posts

Artist to Chocolate Artisan, Moving to Seattle!


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Hello, my name is Jenni, and I am a freelance illustrator and graphic designer. I graduated last year with a degree in Studio Art, however I've been working with chocolate since I was in middle school (truffles, filled chocolates, caramels, cordials, seed tempering). 

After graduation, I got myself a Premier Wonder Grinder and followed the advice of John over on Chocolate Alchemy and have been a long time lurker on The Chocolate Life. I started making chocolate bars because I had lost interest in making other chocolate confections and wanted experiment making my own chocolate from scratch, where I could control just how sweet the chocolate I eat could be. Since August, I started a small cottage food business (working title "Honmeid") and have been selling my own formulation bars to friends and family. So far, it's been a success!

I will be leaving West Palm Beach, Florida and moving to Seattle in order to start a life somewhere new and different at the end of January. Currently, I'm looking for a job in the chocolate or confectionary industry so I can learn more about chocolate making up close. I'd love to hear any advice you have to offer, especially anything job-related!

Dallas
@Dallas
01/04/16 10:05:57
29 posts

JKV 30 tempering machine


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks for your info, Larry.

Yes, this one is definitely a 3-phase machine, with a NEMA 16-20R outlet.

I briefly spoke with Ian this morning re: this issue, but he had no idea about the 3-phase with regard to this machine.

Machine is roughly 12 years old.

Thx, Dallas 

Larry2
@Larry2
01/04/16 09:59:03
110 posts

JKV 30 tempering machine


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Does the JKV 30 need 3 phase? I had a pair of older machines & they just took 220V. This required some specialized wiring, but was relatively easy to do.I ran both machines on one 20 Amp 220 circuit.  What style outlet does the machine need? Mine needed a NEMA-6 outlet. (indicating 220V).

Ian Mackenzie is the JKV rep I've dealt with. you can reach him at his first name @JKVNL.com

Thanks,
Larry

Mr. Brian Wallace
@Mr. Brian Wallace
01/03/16 18:29:34
10 posts

Recommendations for visiting San Blas and finding cacao?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

We had a hard time finding anything related to cacao in San Blas, though it was still one of the most awe-inspiring places I've been to on the entire planet. The next time I visit I'm hoping to stay off the islands and explore the mainland a bit more, with hopes that I'll be able to find cacao there. Check Bocas del Toro, Almirante, and across the border in Talamanca (Costa Rica) for lots of great cacao. There are lots of options in these areas that aren't too hard to find.. I'm at me@brianwallace.com if you'd like more details. Happy travels. 

Dallas
@Dallas
01/03/16 14:05:37
29 posts

JKV 30 tempering machine


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks for your reply, Clay. 

I'm located in Canada, so I'm looking primarily at canadian distributors. Electram and PhaseQuest are both available here in Calgary. That pesky exchange rate is killing us up here, right now.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
01/03/16 13:58:41
1,696 posts

JKV 30 tempering machine


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

American Rotary is a good source for phase converters. You can call (or email) one of their techs with the sizes of your motors and other elements and they can size the converter you need. Also - you may be able to get away with a static converter if there is no cooling compressor.

George Williams
@George Williams
01/03/16 10:43:39
0 posts



Gina Mulcahy:
Looking for a used 6" (ish) enrober for sale. Don't need a pre=bottomer just enrobing and possibly cooling tunnel but thats not even necessary.. Crossing my fingers!

I have a very good  "perfect" enrober that i want to sell.  828-506 -8310. Price is flexable.

David Peterson
@David Peterson
01/02/16 16:18:41
14 posts

New Definitions for a New Year


Posted in: Opinion

I personally have found that the average person does not understand what bean-to-bar really means. Instead, I started using the phrase bean-to-chocolate, which was originally coined by Callebaut. It works and people seem to grasp the concept better. 

Michellez
@Michellez
01/02/16 13:34:16
2 posts

Recommendations for visiting San Blas and finding cacao?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi Hazel. Did you go to Panama? I dont think san blas has cacao plantations. Bocas del toro does.

What exactly are you looking for? I'm from Panama.

my email is Michelle@sweets507.com

Dallas
@Dallas
01/02/16 11:51:25
29 posts

JKV 30 tempering machine


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques


Hi folks.

I recently bought a second hand JKV30 and I'm curious if any of you are familiar with this machine?

The place where I plan on using it doesn't have 3-phase power, so I'm looking at a rotary phase converter to power it properly. But I'm trying to find the HP and max heating loads, so I can size the phase converter right, but I'm not having any luck finding this information.

As we all know, the documentation that comes with the machine is lacking at best...so I thought I'd check if any of you fine folks are able to shed any light on the subject?

I'm looking at a 10HP rotary phase converter, which has a 1.3x max rating. Is this sufficient? Overkill? 

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.


updated by @Dallas: 04/11/25 09:27:36
isterin
@isterin
12/31/15 11:48:20
2 posts

New Definitions for a New Year


Posted in: Opinion

Ok, so being new to the industry, was glad that I'm not the only one with questions about bean to bar.  In your opinion description, you say: "they must produce a retail bar under their own brand", but then also define the phrase "from the bean".  In my simplified view, the bean-to-bar defines that the maker gets the beans and produces the bar, but it seems like it's become quite ambiguous?  

When you mention the production of retail bar under their own brand, what is that opposed to?  Isn't that what most makers do, even if they just remelt someone elses product?

Shanda Kimber
@Shanda Kimber
12/31/15 10:42:25
1 posts

F/S - Chocolate equipment


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

@ken-hastings, Is your candy cutter still avavilable?

Jeremy Rushane
@Jeremy Rushane
12/29/15 22:05:32
20 posts

38 inch Belt Coater for sale


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Belt Coater is still available...  Click the link for pictures.  If interested, call me at 425-344-7737  

Mickey Miller
@Mickey Miller
12/28/15 20:58:52
13 posts

Guitar Cutter Wires Keep Breaking


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks, @ruth-atkinson-kendrick and @larry2.  I, too, wipe wires between each cut, push the wire through thicker ganache and don't cut caramel.  My husband also suggested a new policy of "you break it, you replace it."  I had time today to replace all of the broken wires (12!) and as annoying as it was, it was actually good to be able to get some momentum and figure out a good system.  When you only replace them on occasion, it's easy to forget the best way to do it.  So I'm creating a manual, a policy and scheduling a training session.  Larry, I think I will try the .8 wire.

I got a response (2, actually) from Dedy...which was ZERO help.  They sent me the manual I already have, which has very little direction and no troubleshooting guidance.  And they sent me very lengthy emails telling me about all their great equipment.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
12/27/15 15:47:15
1,696 posts

New Definitions for a New Year


Posted in: Opinion

So here's a question to consider after re-reading this and editing it for typos:

For me, the questions are about which parts of the process truly matter in the final product. Roasting? Check. Grinding, refining, and conching? Check.

Molding and putting it into wrappers/boxes? Maybe not so much. I agree that tempering is an important art to learn, but actually doing it myself when a contract manufacturer could do it better might be worth it.

This is what Scharffen Berger did for several years before they got bought to Hershey, at least for the small tasting squares. It made no economic sense for them to buy the (expensive) machines to wrap the squares so they shipped the chocolate across the country to NJ to a company who did that work for them. Did that make them any less of a "from-the-bean" or "bean-to-bar" chocolate maker?

I think not. What think you?

 

mariano garcia
@mariano garcia
12/27/15 13:30:25
61 posts

Cocoatown ECGC 65-A 65 lb chocolate grinder/conch/refiner/melangeur for sale from Hawaii for $7984


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi Nat,  im interesting, you can send me a machine to miamia. i need the price, send me email to marianohonduras@yahoo.com.ar

 

 

thnaks

Larry2
@Larry2
12/24/15 19:13:10
110 posts

Guitar Cutter Wires Keep Breaking


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I had string troubles as well. I ordered some 0.8 wire from TCF and while it is a lot thicker than the original 0.5 wire,  I havent broken any of the thicker wires. Our coconut fondant is pretty tough to cut because the shredded coconut catches on the wires and essentially makes them thicker. 

the thicker wire has been worth the cost.

Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
12/23/15 22:56:52
194 posts

Guitar Cutter Wires Keep Breaking


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I have had my Dedy for years. I had a learning curve and broke several strings when it was new. Since then, I am careful to wipe wires between each cut, make sure that if there is a ittle bit of thicker chocolate, I push the wire with my fingers until it cuts through. I only cut ganaches, not caramels. I also try to make sure the wires play the same note. I know I am probably wierd that way, but I figure that means they have the same tension. If whom ever breaks it has to replace it, they might be more careful, as it isn't a fun job to replace them.

Mickey Miller
@Mickey Miller
12/23/15 13:29:34
13 posts

Guitar Cutter Wires Keep Breaking


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques


I have a Dedy guitar cutter that keeps breaking wires.  I work full-time outside of my chocolate business, so I'm not there enough to know if my staff are doing something to cause it or not.  Every one of my staff have broken them.  I've contacted both Dedy and TCF, where I bought the cutter, to ask for troubleshooting advice, but thought I'd try here, too.

My husband, who often gets stuck repairing the strings when we're busy (he is a musician, and they are similar to actual guitar strings) thinks my staff is not cleaning the wires quickly enough and the buildup is causing resistance.  I wipe down the wires after every pass, but I'm not sure all of my staff does the same.

They are also not immediately replacing some broken wires, which I think may be causing uneven pressure?

Some wires are breaking at the handle end (which comes down through the ganache last), some at the other end.

Wondering if the repaired wires are not all being wound in the same direction, or are not all consistently taut?  Could the wire itself be weakened?  I've had the cutter for several years and am still replacing with the original wire I received.

I've never found any detailed suggestions from Dedy or online about how to replace the wires or troubleshoot, so we've just been winging it.

Very frustrated.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.


updated by @Mickey Miller: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Sebastian
@Sebastian
12/23/15 05:17:46
754 posts

My toffee has problems -- Please Help!


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Let us know how it turns out!  Pls send boxes of the finished product to me at .... 

 

8-)

Ernesto Bugarin Pantua Jr.
@Ernesto Bugarin Pantua Jr.
12/22/15 23:34:23
24 posts

The Guardian Gets it All Wrong About the Mast Brothers - it's not about the price


Posted in: Opinion

Well said Mr. Clay Gordon.  Thank you for taking the cudgel for the chocolate farner.

 

Daniel Herskovic
@Daniel Herskovic
12/22/15 14:41:59
132 posts

My toffee has problems -- Please Help!


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you so much Ruth and Sebastian!

I was hoping I would hear from both of you. I will definitely try going higher in temperature. I was concerned that if I went to high too much invert sugar would be created. I might possibly increasing the butter as well. I will keep you posted on any updates. Thank you again!

Daniel

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
12/22/15 11:20:34
1,696 posts

Are we Hurting Ourselves over this Mast Bros Controversy?


Posted in: News & New Products Press

ab -

That's a very good question, and one that's being asked in a lot of quarters these days. The answer in the end is that I think everyone will be better off as a result of the scrutiny and improving customer trust.

Aaalxndr
@Aaalxndr
12/22/15 11:13:06
11 posts

Are we Hurting Ourselves over this Mast Bros Controversy?


Posted in: News & New Products Press


Hi all,

At first, the news was just circulated in our own circles. Now it's been picked up by almost every big news source –– Inc, Vox, NYT, etc. . .

I'm wondering if the general tone of our conversations has been counterproductive. We want the public to respect us as artisans, but it seems like the image we've been presenting is more divisive than anything else.

I totally agree about the importance of transparency and integrity. And I think it's important for any community to hold each member accountable for their actions. I'm just not so sure that that's our real motive (or at least the impression we're giving off).

I wrote a blog post on my thoughts here if you're interested.

Cheers,

ab

[edited to fix the link URL - at signs are not allowed in URLs.]


updated by @Aaalxndr: 03/11/26 06:20:34
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
12/22/15 09:58:49
1,696 posts

Ok... I HAVE to swear....


Posted in: Opinion


Brad -

PLEASE do not put words into my mouth. What I am asking - as I have been asking consistently for years - is that you respect my desires about how to comport yourself on TheChocolateLife. We have had many private discussions on this topic.

You can make exactlly the points you want to make. But you don't have to bluster. You may not care what other people think of you, but I can tell you from personal experience that people will pay more attention to what you have to say if you aren't so confrontational.

That's it.

 

Now I realize that you are frustrated about people in your market (and elsewhere) deliberately misrepresenting what they do. Saying they make 100% of their chocolate from the bean when they are buying couverture and remelting. And I realize that you are happy that someone is calling the Mast Bros out.

BUT one of the reasons people paid attention to the DallasFood-org articles is that they are written dispassionately. If they were written any other way they would probably have been dismissed out of hand. Now Scott has been having fun in social media tweaking the Brothers but the articles stand apart from that. Which is important to remember.

Please believe me when I say that I have every motivation to root out and expose deceptive practices in the craft chocolate world and elsewhere. Although I am not explicitly mentioned in many of the articles, I have been involved in several - and in some very important ways. There are huge media forces like the NY Times weighing in on this subject and they have the ability to shape the narrative in ways that are beyond our control.

I have been doing, and will continue to do, the best I can to see how we can use the firestorm that has been kicked up in positive ways.

If I were you, I'd write a reasoned op ed to the local papers and figure out how to make this a positive for your business.


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Clay Gordon
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12/22/15 09:36:03
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Yes. I saw the image. Posting a ticket on it now.

eg
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12/21/15 17:34:14
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iPhone 5 v 9.2 (up to date). Did you see the example I attached - screenshot of forum post.

Brad Churchill
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12/21/15 17:33:35
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Clay, 

So what you're saying then, is when a chocolatier out here lies for years about what they do, just like the Mast Brothers did, it doesn't matter, but when someone does it in YOUR neck of the woods it does?   My nemesis out here has made a hell of a lot more money (millions of dollars more) lying to people here in Western Canada than the Mast Brothers have, and it doesn't matter where the lies are propogated they are still lies, and they still affect EVERYONE in the industry.

You can continue to make theChocolateLife about you and your own personal agenda (just like you are doing above), or you can respect and recognize that there is a lot of deception in the industry regardless of where you go, even if it isn't in your back yard, and that the opinions of others (such as me) matter.

Will the expose bring the whole Brookly craft "movement" down?  Anyone who believes that is just plain foolish.  Not everyone reads the New York Times.  Not everyone reads Facebook.  Not everyone will read this forum or other articles on Mast.  

In my not so humble opinion (which is the topic of this forum), very little will happen.  Brooklyn isn't the center of the universe, and people will still buy their chocolate.  The only thing that will most likely happen is that the Mast brothers will no longer be the darlings of print and social media, and the demand for their wares will decrease to a point where they can actually make enough to keep up with demand, instead of buying someone else's.

What's most discouraging though, is that unless stiff penalties are legislated and imposed for lying to consumers, in a few years, someone else will step up to the plate and do it again.  Remember Noka?  Well.... Mast is the new Noka.

Best Regards

Brad Churchill

Choklat


updated by @Brad Churchill: 12/21/15 17:38:39
Clay Gordon
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12/21/15 16:59:59
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Brad.

IMNSHO: Calgary is not Williamsburg, or even Manhattan.

It's not about you , so crowing about reflected sainthood is out of place and only reflects badly on you.

Why do I say this?

There are far larger issues at hand, especially with the media coverage on The Guardian and other outlets focusing on price and how $10 is too much to pay. Comparing Mast w/ Hershey and Green & Black's and not understanding why the comparison is ludicrous. One good question is whether or not this will have an impact on the sales of other craft chocolate makers. NYTimes even says that this could bring the whole Brooklyn craft food "movement" down. 

I know that the author of one of the follow-up articles is horrified at how the story has been twisted. Fact is, we are no longer in control of it and it may be impossible to put the genie back into the bottle. Will it destroy trust? Some chocolate makers think so.

I am not interested in starting a flame war here on TheChocolateLife. If you want to take up the issue in The Calgary Herald or The Calgary Sun, I think either or both are more appropriate outlets.

There are some very substantive issues at play here and I would really like the focus to stay on those issues. Here's just one of my takes .

:: Clay

Clay Gordon
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eg:
Still can only read on iPhone 5 if I turn phone sideways. Vertical viewing cuts off right side. Also as I type the entire comment box is not visible, so difficult to check what I've typed here. The other updates are great.

iPhone 5 not 5S? What version of iOS? Safari, right? Does this also happen in any other browser? I can't test as I don't have an iPhone 5.

Brad Churchill
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12/21/15 16:38:42
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ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME?????

In a letter posted on their website, Rick Mast writes, and I quote (pointing out highlights):

"Mast Brothers is a 100% bean to bar chocolate maker. Every chocolate bar made by our company that you have lovingly purchased since we opened our first factory, including those purchased for the coming holidays, was made "bean to bar". Any claim or insinuation otherwise is simply false."

THEN JUST TWO PARAGRAPHS LATER HE WRITES:

"And while we never claimed to make all our chocolate exclusively from bean to bar in those early days, we did describe ourselves as a bean-to-bar chocolate maker. Since we were in fact making chocolate from bean to bar, we honestly thought we could say as much. We sincerely apologize if you or any of our other loyal customers feel they were misled about the chocolate we made when our company was just getting off the ground."

THE LYING CONTINUES!!!!  

Literally, there may be some truth to it.  However, taken in the context that it's written... Well, here's the summary  "Look how stupid people are!  Every bar of chocolate we sold had our name on it and was represented as made by us - even the stuff we bought and melted into molds with our name on it.  You people are suckers!!!!"

I wish to personally thank the Mast Brothers Chocolate company for making Choklat look like a saint here in Calgary.

Cheers

Brad Churchill

eg
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Sebastian
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12/20/15 19:56:24
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My toffee has problems -- Please Help!


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it's been a while since i've made toffee, and i didn't take the time to look over any of my notes for details, but it sounds like to me that you've got higher moistures than you'd like to have.  Without analytically measuring them, it's hard to confirm.  50% RH should be just fine.  Do you get the same negative results if you cook to a bit higher temp (your cook temp will be the easiest metric to use as a guage for water removal in your toffee - the higher your temp, the lower your resultant water content).  I'd be tempted to do a series of small batches (using the same lot of ingreidents, on the same day), and  prepare them back to back, looking at your current process as the control, then raise the cook temp in 5degree increments to see how they compare and if it resolves your problem or not.

Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
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12/20/15 18:16:30
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My toffee has problems -- Please Help!


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I will try to answer from my experience. I use equal amounts of sugar and butter. I don't melt the butter first. I start out with 1/4 cup water per pound of butter. I put in the water and 2/3 of the salted grade AA butter, and the sugar. I stir over low heat until sugar is dissolved, then turn up heat and add remaining butter. I rinse the spatula (I prefer silicone to wood paddle) and conitnue stirring. Be sure all sugar is dissolved. Once temp is over 260, you are past the danger zone of separation. Cook as quickly as possible without burning. I take it to about 310 (5000 ft). I don't add more salt, or cook the nuts in the syrup. I do add a little lecithin. I pour the syrup over dry roasted almonds. After cooling and coating with chocolate and a sprinkle of salt and more nuts, I break up and put into air-tight packages. We normally have a very dry climate, but I have made it when it was raining and snowing with no problems. My batches are 12# of sugar and butter at a time. You are correct in assuming corn syrup will make the toffee more sticky. I think if you add more butter and cook a bit higher, you will be fine. Try a small batch and see. You might check the amount of water you are using. If it is more than 1/4 c. per pound, you might be inverting the sugar which would give the same effect of adding corn syrup, making it sticky. Good luck.

Clay Gordon
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12/20/15 13:28:11
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The Guardian Gets it All Wrong About the Mast Brothers - it's not about the price


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My response in a comment to an article posted on The Guardian about the Mast Bros: Mast Brothers: taste-testing $10 chocolate bars as controversy boils over .


What is a real shame about most of the media reporting that has occurred in reply to the series on  DallasFood.org  (including [the article on TheGuardian]) is that it has featured a sensationalized focus on price. And that is not what the series is about at all. It's about transparency and deliberate, systematic, misrepresentation, which can happen at any price level.

It is an indisputable fact that the overwhelming majority of chocolate—whether sold as solid bars, candy bars, or confections—is sold at a price that means that the cocoa farmer was not paid a living wage for their work.

One thing that most craft chocolate makers strive for is equitable relationships with the farmers they buy their cocoa from. And an aspect of that equitable relationship is that the farmer gets paid a fair price for their labor. A price that enables them to have pride in their work, feed and clothe and send their children to school, and all of the other things we strive for for ourselves, families, and communities.

We all have our taste preferences, but this is not about what's better - Cadbury, Ritter Sport, Lindt, et al. What it is about is knowing that, when you buy any chocolate where one factor in your purchase decision process is how cheap it is, is that one of the consequences of that decision is the perpetuation of a cycle of poverty of heart-breaking, gargantuan, proportions. The fact is, virtually all chocolate is too cheap, yet most people are unaware of the fact that their perceived "right" to enjoy inexpensive chocolate is a major driver behind children laboring in cocoa farms.

Having blind faith in certification schemes is not *the* answer. Fairtrade, Rainforest Alliance, Utz, et al, can only do so much; you as a consumer and large companies use those labels to avoid having to truly confront the reality of the situation.

Small chocolate makers who go to great lengths to source their beans provide one key to solving the problem. They confront the reality and work very hard to address it within the context of their own businesses.

Because craft chocolate makers cannot afford to buy hundreds of tonnes of beans at a time and don't have expensive automated plants, the price they *willingly* pay for high–quality cocoa beans and their costs of production are much, much higher than those of industrial producers who use their size and buying power to get the cocoa they buy at the lowest possible prices - not caring about the impact on the farmer.

In this context, what's important is not the price of the chocolate bar, it's the price the farmer receives for the cocoa beans - called the farm gate price. The higher the price paid to the farmer, the more expensive the chocolate is going to be. If you're buying a mass-market bar, most of the profits go to the manufacturers and retailers as well as to advertising and promoting the products - many of which actually have very little cocoa in them because cocoa is the most expensive ingredient!

And this is where the small chocolate maker strives to make a difference. Source the beans as closely as possible to the farmer, reduce the number of intermediaries who handle the beans - which increases their already high cost, and then work very hard to craft a product that people will like and buy more than once. Most of these small chocolate makers are self-funded startups who barely break even, let alone generate a profit.

And that's the source, I think, of much of the indignation surrounding The Mast Brothers. Their claim to being one of this amazing group of makers is on very shaky ground as the  DallasFood.org  series reveals. Most of the press surrounding the Brothers is about their beards, or about the paper used to wrap the bars, or about the design of their shops. And that's messed up. We were being lied to. It's not about the prices, it's about what appears to be systematic deception. That's why the chocolate community is up in arms. It is not a good thing for craft chocolate.

We can agree or not on whether we like a chocolate the Mast Brothers makes. That's partly a discussion of value: is the money I paid worth it, to me? In the case of the Mast Brothers - for me - the case is usually no: I did not get good value for money, but then I am focused on what's inside the wrapper, knowing that the wrapper is a not-insignificant reason for the price being what it is.

You may think I am an idiot to pay $10 for a bar of chocolate - but I have willingly paid much more. And I will continue to do so. I will do so because I want to see smiles on the faces of cocoa farming families when I travel at origin. I will do so because I believe in supporting honest, dedicated, craftspeople who work extremely hard to produce products they believe in and that they hope customers will buy and like.

What I try to avoid is purchasing chocolate where I know the farmer was not paid well or where the marketing is less than genuine.

And that's what this story is really about . It's not about a tenner.
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Alek Dabo
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12/20/15 13:13:02
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NEW FBM Kleego 100 for sale


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Hello Georg,

I would like some details about your Kleego 100 for sale. How long have you had it? Dis you use it for concging or only melting? What are you using instead? Where will it be shipped from? I am interested for a project in Haiti. (I 'll have it shipped to Miami where the equipment is centralized) and of course the price. I'm reachable at aboville@gmail.com I'm looking forward to reading your answer.

Alek

Daniel Herskovic
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12/20/15 12:00:11
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Hi there,

I am currently in Toffee Hell and I am hoping that I can get out with your help. The toffee I make sticks to peoples' teeth and I have received some complaints about it. I am committed to changing this situation. Ideally toffee has a nice snap when you bite into it, but then it gives way to a tender texture that immedietly crumbles and dissolves in your mouth. Even though I add a tremendous amount of butter to my recipe, the texture I end up with is more like a hard candy that ultimately sticks to your teeth. I am hoping some of you can help me understand the finer points of making delicious toffee with a very pleasing texture. Here are some questions I have.

1. Currently, I use standard American salted butter. Does the quality of the butter make a difference? If I used Plugra or an European style butter with a lower water content -- would that make a difference?

2. What temperature should I be cooking the toffee to? I currently stop at 295-300 degrees Farenhite. Should I be going for a higher temperature?

3. My current recipe does not use corn syrup. I thought by not using corn syrup I would have a less sticky texture. That is not the case? Would corn syrup help me on my quest to a tender texture?

4. What should the relative humidity of my room be? I make everything in Northern Wisconsin. These days the RH is around 50%. I use a dehumidifier, but We have had a humid and warmer than usual autumn. Does my relative humidity of my room need to be lower? I noticed that excellent toffee comes from arid climates such as Colorado. I've also had excellent toffee that comes from the Midwest.

5. What about stirring? We cook the batch in a big copper kettle. We stir with a paddle to prevent scorching. Does the stirring or lack of stirring effect the texture of the toffee? Honestly, we have to stir as we don't want a scorched pot.

6. What about storage? Can I store at room temp just fine?

For your reference Here is my recipe and my process...

Salted Butter: 9080 grams

Water: 2270 grams

Sugar, White Granulated: 11,350grams

Salt: 71 grams

Soy Lecithin: 28 grams

Almonds: 2270

Melt the butter in the copper kettle. Add the water, salt, sugar, and lecithin. Cook until 295-300 degrees. Stir in Toasted Almonds. Pour on Marble Table. Let cool. Coat with chocolate and add Crushed almonds.

Thank you for your help. I can really use it!

Daniel

 

 

 

 

 


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Good night and bye, bye
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12/20/15 10:55:39
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We are selling our new FBM Kleego 100 for melting and conching chocolate.
The machine works perfectly and is only sold for space reasons.
Please email to georg@georgia-ramon.com for more information.


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Sebastian
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12/19/15 07:22:23
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You're too kind Ruth - one of the fascinating things about this category is theres ALWAYS something new to learn - which makes it a ton of fun!

 

Have a very Merry Christmas!!

Sebastian
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12/18/15 04:40:03
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 No.  But some might say I dabble ;-)

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