DessertsHouse.com Chocolate Melter
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Panasonic Inverter Technology Microwave, 2.5 cubic feet.
I realize you don't need a stable temp.
The question is: "How long will it take for any given approach to melting chocolate take to melt X weight to desired temp?" This melter might be real fast - too fast, in fact in that it will melt far more chocolate than you need far more quickly than you need to a temperature much higher than you need.
If so, then whatever money you're saving on the equipment you're losing in increased energy costs.
Or maybe not. There could be ways to much more closely monitor the equipment, but it won't be "set and forget" especially at the beginning.
Thanks Clay. Definitely good points. I've got an email in to them. I'll post their reply when I get it. I'm mostly looking for something to pre-melt chocolate to load into my tempering machine--not really hold it at temp once melted.
To everyone looking to shave a few bucks off a purchase, capital acquisition costs are only a small part of the total cost picture, or total cost of operation (TCO).
Operating a piece of equipment can cost more than buying it.
If one piece of equipment is less energy efficient than another, then it may make more sense to buy the more expensive piece of equipment as it will be cheaper in the long run
Ben - the unit you're looking at is a food warmer. It wants to hold food above 150F. That's real high for chocolate. I'd contact the company (or the web site) and ask them what the bottom end of the range on the thermostat is. Even is 150F is okay, you'll pay more to keep it at that temp than at 120F - and it will cost more in the long run, even if you saved a few bucks up front.
I don't have any experience with that melter, but have been thinking about getting this food warmer to use as a chocolate melter:
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/apw-wyott-w-3v-12-x-20-countertop-food-warmer-120v/135W3V%20%20%20%20%20%20120.html
Has anyone used one of these? How did it work?
Does anyone have any experience with these melters? They seem to be a great price at less than $500 for an 18kg chocolate melter.
I just want to make sure I'm not throwing money at a melter that won't hold a stable temp.
Thanks!
Have you tried making your bark thin and sprinkling the inclusions onto it? Like mendiants, very large mendiants.
Do you temper the chocolate before you make the ganache? I've learned that ganache needs to be made with tempered chocolate to get the proper consistency.
Thanks
Thomas,
i was addressing the worker...worker, not farm owner.
I don't ubderstand your math. If the worker receives US$5.25 per day, it seems difficult to arrive at
US$210 per month. 210/5.25=40 days per month? Do day labors work every day...7 days per week?
normal work weeks are 5.5 days that would earn US$ 28.87 per week or US$115.00 per month.
Workers in Brazil work 44hr weeks, holidays and Sundays are 2X normal salary and night service is 1.5
times normal salary.
Is the US$25000 gross or net profit?
Cacao plantations are generally considered sustainable environmentally speaking if chemicals are not used? The areas in the DR will cacao are very forested and allow for complimentary crops to be grown for personal consumption. Plantanos, bananas yucca, and other root vegetables, citrus mango and zapote to name a few are found scattered all over the place with and around the cacao.
From a cultural perspective. I find the cacao regions to generally be better off economically, are organized, have good schools and access to health care. Those that own a decent amount of land travel to the US when they want and are often leaders in their communities. They tend to take care of each other and everyone does their part. I would argue that cacao areas that I am associated with in the Dominican Republic are sustainable. The income provided to these areas by cacao production is their base.
The minimum wage in the Dominican Republic is listed at RD$4,900. That is inaccurate information. In May of 2011 it was raised and the campo worker minimum wage is about RD$200/day, about US$5.25. That comes out to about RD$8000 a month or about US$210. They way it works in the area I work is that people are available as day labors for the busy times. Each cacao producer generally have their trusted employees who work full-time on aspects of running a farm and harvesting other products. These trusted employees almost become part of the family and are often related in some manner. My guess is that a 300 tarea cacao farm (60 acres) will bring about US25,000 a year in profits with a land value of US$70,000-100,000. It is a lot of work and then you need to have fermentation and dryers if you do not sell it wet.
So who are we talking about getting the fair price for their labor and investment, the farmer/worker or the worker/employee?
i agree with jim,
sustainable should be for the workers, sustainable should be as well for the land/nature.
we notice that more and more people knows about fair trade and also understand that fair trade doesn't always mean "sustainable".
I think that the world of chocolate is ready for a new change: too many organization requiring money for a "stamp", too many different ones.
If anyone comes up with a fair priced -sustainable for the worker and for the land- "stamp" it would be very good. but only one, not one for germany, one for Usa one for Asia ect... just one, world wide that is sustainable for the farmers.
Clay, I am reluctant to use the term sustainability when referring to cacau. I am more prone to apply the word to cacao workers. Far too long we have wrung our hands and searched for way to obtain cocoa beans that meet some imaginary standard. It is not the trees that suffer from abusive producers and governments, ITS THE WORKER!!!! Take a look at the salaries for selected cocoa producing countries. Does this look sustainable to you?
The Harkin-Engel Protocol made a watered down attempt to protect children that were working in cocoa plantations, but, I hear very little mention of the thousands of adult workers who are working for pennies a day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country
Benin 30,000 CFA francs (46) per month
Bolivia 647 Bolivian bolivianos (66) per month
Brazil R$ 545.00 about US$ 348.39 per month, paid 13 times a year one monthpaid vacation plus 8.5% retirement deposit
Burkina Faso 30,684 CFA francs (47) a month in the formal sector; does notapply to subsistence agriculture 182,000
Chile Chilean pesos (258) per month for workers aged 1865 ;
Columbia 535,000 Colombian pesos (207) a month (2011);
Costa Rica 131,907 Costa Rican colones (186) a month
Ivory Coast it varies by occupation, with the lowest set to 36,607 CFA franc (56)
Dominican Republic 4,900 Dominican pesos (91)
Ghana Ghanaian cedis (1.95) a dayGuatemala Guatemalan quetzales (4.78) per day for agricultural work
Indonesia 1,410,000 rupiah (116) per month in Papua; as low as 675,000rupiah per month in West Java
Madagascar 70,025 Malagasy ariary (25) per month for nonagriculturalworkers; 71,000 ariary per month for agricultural workers[9]
Mexico 54.47 pesos (3.49) in Zone C (all other states)
Nigeria 18,000 naira (81) per month, nationally (with a 13 month year as the lawmandates an extra month's pay for the Christmas holiday)
Peru 550 Peruvian nuevos soles (139) per month[52]
Sao Tome 650,000 So Tom and Prncipe dobras (27) per month for civil servants
Is this Fair Trade? Is this good for natural habitat? Is this good for the rain forest? Is this organic? It;s time we look past the glitzy organizations with certified backgrounds and insist that the actual producers are treated in a SUSTAINABLE manner.
Jim Lucas
Jim Lucas
While UTZ may be less well known (to some) than FLO, RA, and others, the question is really about your feelings about the definition of sustainable.
After spending a little time on the UTZ website, it is unclear how they are different or the same from fair trade and or organic. From the little I know about what goes on the DR, it appears as if the farmer cooperatives have went the fair trade route and the larger producers may use the UTZ track, Roig for instance in the DR. Rizek and Munne seem to be happy with the organic label. These large producers and processors of cacao have set up quality operations. You see a number of the Roig associated farms with sign in the campos near Castillo. The farmer cooperatives work primarily with the smaller farmers in much the same manner, while trying to get to the same level of control and quality.
Mars just announced that many of its products in the Netherlands will be UTZ certified starting February 2012.
Accompanying the announcement was the following "definition" for sustainability.
Sustainable cocoa means that it is produced using humanitarian agriculture techniques that are environmentally friendly and offer cocoa farmers a better price.
Please share your thoughts on this definition.
They aren't doing anything new, and in my opinion they are still missing the boat.
Choklat's been making personally selected truffles fresh per ordernow for over 3 years and has been very successful at it. Maison offers a few varieties, where as the 468 combinations that can be ordered through our website still dwarfs their offering.
The only difference right now is that we don't deliver outside of our immediate geographic area, whereas they do.
As far as I'm concerned Nestle' is playing catch up, and only serves to validate my business model of giving people what they want, as opposed to whatwe "think" they want, or what flavour happens to appeal to us as chocolatiers on any given day.
That's just my opinion.
Cheers
Brad
So far with our shop we meet 2 types of people. Those who buy chocolate in a grocery store, and those who seek out something better, maybe more personal. However that personal is usual not something that's going back and forth electronically but something where you can talk with another person and have real input or knowledge exchange.
To some slice of demographic that currently likes buying ferrero rocher, or other marketed global products this might speak to them with a sense of faux personalization. Like a Sky mall product.
Usually I don't see many of these people, so I'm not really sure if this will gain traction for those looking for a real product. It might be something you'd get as a present but after a few rounds it would fall into disuse.
They might be a real business with a marketing budget that dwarfs anything I can imagine and a production facility that probably looks like something out of a sci-fi novel. Proofs in the product and all that though.
The nice things about endeavors like these is you can find some gems in the rough and if they pan out for that scale there might be some trickle down thoughts that can be integrated into your own business. Always fun to watch and learn.
Extract from an e-news article published 2008:
"Nestl today announced the establishment of the Chocolate Centre of Excellence, the company's first R&D facility entirely dedicated to the development of premium and luxury chocolate. . .
The establishment of the new Chocolate Centre of Excellence is a further sign that Nestl sees luxury and premium products as one of its key strategic areas with above-average growth and profit potential over the coming years. . . It also explains Nestl's partnership with Belgian luxury chocolatier Pierre Marcolini who will provide inspiration to the team in Broc for some of the company's future chocolate ranges."
Maison Cailler chocolate factory is located in Broc, Switzerland:
Link to Maison Cailler & Chocolate Factory article!
I quickly checked the web-site (perhaps it's not the correct one), but the Maison Caillier site (ch) looks quite old fashioned to me, with the Swiss Alps etc. To be honest, I don't see how they are going to play a leading role in the way people consume chocolate. In the coffee industry companies like Stumptown, Intelligentcia Coffee really "Rock", very different from the old swiss chocolate school. So, to be honest, I don't understand what they actually want, company marketing is not in line with the company believes.........and that is not going to be very convincing, a camera in Ecuador won't make much of a difference.
Best regards
Rodney
Brian, you seriously want me to believe that you are not interested one iota in knowing the chocolate personality of Lady GaGa? Or Justin Bieber?
Snap.
According to the press release :
Nestl has created a new luxury brand that delivers fresh chocolates, tailor-made for individual tastes.
Actually, that's not the case.If you take a closer read through the release, it's a two-step process.
That said, it's part of a much broader initiative that has the potential (if it's successful, if consumers care, do people associate Nestl with a luxury brand (Hershey couldn't do it with Scharffen Berger, et al) to influence chocolate marketing globally.
Your thoughts on the program, its chances for success, and how it might have an impact on the chocolate business generally - and your business in particular?
Some more from the release:
Maison Cailler is a response to the changing times we live in, Mr Lacroix explains.
People are looking for more personalised products and services, and they are increasingly purchasing these online."
We will be able to fine tune the Maison Cailler offering according to consumer feedback, he continues.
Although the five main chocolate personalities will never change, soon we will be able to identify nuances. The goal really is to be as personal as possible.
People can register to set up a personal account on the Maison Cailler website; importing their Facebook contacts and logging the chocolate personalities of their friends.
They will also be able to post questions to the Maison Cailler team.
The Maison Cailler website, which works on all digital devices, will stream live footage from webcams in the chocolatiers kitchens; from the Molson; and from the fields where the cows who provide the factorys milk graze.
There will even be live footage from a cocoa farm in Ecuador.
We are showing consumers that we are a real business, with real people, who work here every day making chocolate for them to enjoy, adds Mr Lacroix.
Don't know if this will work, came across this DIY temperer on youtube
How to build a large capacity home chocolate tempering machine
I have looked for a better replacement and found a similar gear motor through Acklands Grainger. However, the shaft length is different, and I had to weld an extension to the end to make it fit the ACMC. Unfortunately the only decent option is to order new motors from ACMC.
Do you know if this (DMD4LL07) is still an active part number? I just tried to locate one and cannot find it. I just had my second motor go out. Such a bummer, and I'd like to have something more stable if I'm gonna spend the money to fix it. Just ordered another plastic gear motor in the meantime.
Thanks!
-Brandon
i appreciate it! I ordered an exact replacement and had it up and running in about 15 minutes. It was a quick fix. I want to look into the motor Brad mentioned though, because I can only expect another 3 yrs out of this new motor and I like to think that a 700 dollar machine should run longer than that. I may just try to build one from scratch.
Thanks a lot and expect more questions from me...
Dayton makes a motor that works (Acklands Grainger sells them), and uses metal gears. Model DMD4LL07. The problem with the ACMC motors is that the gear boxes are plastic, and they ALL strip. (I have 6 of those machines and all of them have had the motors replaced).
The holes for the screws even fit with the Dayton motor..
It's 3rpm slower than the ACMC motors, but that doesn't seem to make a difference.
HOWEVER....
You will need to weld on a small extension to the shaft coming from the gear box and shape it to fit the collar that turns the bowl. I did that as a test with one of my machines, and the motor hasn't failed since.
Hope that helps.
Brad
Okay, so in our shop, we have a couple of large Hilliards tempering pots and one ACMC pot used only for tempering white chocolate. Its motor has recently burned out. I need to replace it and would like to know if anyone has a recommendation for either a better motor or a specs to ask for when calling a company for a replacement.
I'd like to say, before this discussion gets into a "you need a better temperer," I know this and plan to do so, but can't shelve this temperer just yet.
Thanks for any info you can share in replacing this motor.