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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/04/12 13:01:37
1,688 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


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Tom:

This is along the lines of what I was hoping to elicit. What is interesting is that I see examples in places where this is starting to emerge. Take what Frank Homann is doing on the farm side at Xoco, for example, or what Gianluca Franzoni has been doing in a vertically integrated way from farm to factory ... his 100% Criollo bar is about as close as it comes today, IMO, and the price is extremely reasonable at about 5/25gr.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/04/12 12:56:32
1,688 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


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Lowe:

The Cocoa Gourmet instance is an example of where the ingredients (and presentation) being the major cost of the final product, not the chocolate itself, which is re-melted Felchlin. Gold and silver leaf, custom wood boxes ...

The point is to create a chocolate that doesn't need gilding to be seen as deserving the price paid.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/04/12 12:54:52
1,688 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Lowe:

A case of deceptive marketing practices that was ultimately unmasked. However, there is a kernel of truth in the fact that part of any consumer market can be swayed by marketing. The people perceived that the chocolate was worth the price they were paying based on the story (now known to be false being told about it.

Okay, we know that the market, or at least a part of it, will pay that amount of money for chocolate. Now we just have to create one that deserves that price point on its merits.

Tom
@Tom
11/04/12 12:53:56
205 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Perhaps rarity is the key, you could grow two or three trees in a green house in an odd place like New York or Vatican City and take it tree-to-bar making only a dozen to two dozen per harvest. Or shoot for twenty six bars.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/04/12 12:53:00
1,688 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Wine sommeliers are often hired by restaurants to curate their wine offerings and in many cases they are part of the wine service - their salaries are built in to the prices paid for the wines in those settings. There are some occasions where I have been approached to curate a chocolate selection for a restaurant but not one of them has ever resulted in actually getting hired to curate a selection, let alone create a program where a person was involved in service.

Turning the chocolate into confections is one way to raise the price charged for the chocolate, but that price increase is incidental to the other aspects of the confection's creation.

There are professional tasters in the chocolate industry but I don't see the small artisan makers employing them. Like wine makers, the chocolate makers make what they make and independent experts pass judgment that the market values and pays for.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/04/12 12:48:23
1,688 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Andy:

The wine makers who thrive in the $10-$100 price range benefit directly and indirectly from the $1000 bottles - even though they don't make bottles in the upper price range.

It's not necessary for a chocolate maker to make only super-premium priced products, just as it's not necessary for a wine maker to make only super-premium wines. However, in an evening where you're trying some $20-30 reds, a $100 Bordeaux is an interesting addition. Why not see chocolate that way?

The coffee analogy is interesting, and prices for brewed coffee vary widely and are not necessarily dependent on bean quality. Some of the worst coffee I have ever had has been some of the most expensive ... in hotel dining rooms. That said, I do see a cocoa equivalent of coffee's cup of excellence as a very good thing in its own right.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
11/04/12 11:28:52
527 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Sebastian;

I'll one-up you and offer a baker's dozen for the price of 12.

...and free shipping.

Haha!

Brad.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/04/12 03:41:01
754 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


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Fritz used to have a $250 truffle - it's been some time since we chatted, so i'm not sure if he still does or not.

I'll happily make a $100 bar, sold by the dozen. You choose the beans, blend, and concentration. Pls let me know when you'd like me to start shipping them 8-)

Tom
@Tom
11/04/12 02:52:03
205 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

I think that is a very interesting idea. As someone who may potentially buy one i would say history and reputation of a company would be important. A new market entry would find it difficult to produce and sell a $100 bar of chocolate. As for what characteristics a chocolate bar would have to have to be worth it, well approaching it from a makers (hobbyist) perspective who has delt with fermentation studies over several years from the same plantation i would say i would need the same control a wine maker does over each vintage. Ideally i would have a plantation with 3 to 4 varieties, i would have control over the growing ie pruning, watering, fertilising, harvest time etc. ideally monitoring parameters deemed important such as pH and sugar levels of the fruits. I would then want control of the fermentation, ie aging the fruit before ferment, time of ferment, possibly starter culture etc. then i would want control over the drying, shipping, roasting, blending, formulation......you get the picture. I would then require 10 years of experinece applying and tinkering with different ideas in all these areas and then i would feel comfortable in offering up a chocolate bar worthy of a $100 price tag. Oh and in that 10 years establish a good reputation and build brand equity to support the $100 price tag.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
11/03/12 21:01:59
251 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

There already was a $100 bar... when NOKA was around. haha

Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
11/03/12 11:03:48
102 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

I am also torn at the thought of paying $100 for a bar of chocolate. The fact that much of the fine chocolate is turned into confections would expand the role of a chocolate critic or sommelier beyond the same in the wine industry. I am so new to understanding chocolate and the industry, I am unsure how someone would make a living as a chocolate sommelier beyond writing about it. Would it help people who are currently doing tasting and/or pairings? There are already professional tasters who are identified by the industrial chocolate industry; would the small artisan makers employ them in some manner?

The idea of aging chocolate in interesting. I find that letting my homemade chocolate sit for a month or two brings the bitterness down a notch.

Love reading your post Clay and your broadcasts on Heritage Radio.

Tom

Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
11/03/12 09:41:34
157 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

This has some interesting points.. I'm torn on the concept of having to have a $100 bar to achieve it though when wine makers and their chain of professionals attached to them don't have to leverage the $100 bottles to achieve greatness. Also many winemakers are just like chocolate makers, stretched very thin and more passionate than economically feasible unless conglomerated (a few family wine makers here.)

A perfect night at a tasting meal with it's accompaniments don't have that kind of cost per wine unit, $25 here, $30 there, $50 maybe.. but really, $100 across the board doesn't make sense. You'd wedge yourself into such an exclusive category that would be untouchable and reeked with the wrong demographic that it would take decades to equalize in the community.

Your point though, which should have been all that there was--is that there is a potential, a possibility, for a much deeper relationship with chocolate. One that hasn't been given real time or study but might should. If it was, what would be needed to accomplish such a task and that is interesting.

Like all things though, these studies, experiments and all that come with it come with the task of either doing it on your own time, dime, and love then finding a market that can respect that. It will still take decades for that line of thought to enter the market too since it's too much of a commodity. Taking a commodity and raising the epitome is tricky. Coffee has done it on a few occasions with Cup of Excellence winners getting up to $70 a # but it's not a market normal and not normally market accessible.

You've definitely pushed some neat thoughts out though. Kudos on that. ;-)

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/03/12 09:09:55
1,688 posts

What the Chocolate Industry Needs is A $100 Bar of Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

When I was in London a couple of weeks ago speaking at the Academy of Chocolate conference, I had the great privilege of being the last speaker of the day. This enabled me to pay attention to what everybody else was saying and present a summary of what I heard in the context of my own panel presentation which was billed as, "The Global Future of Chocolate."

After presenting a summation, I urged the audience to consider a number of calls to action. Too often at conferences like this one a great deal of good information is shared but then that information does not get disseminated after the conference is over. We all go our own separate ways and little substantive really occurs.

I presented two calls to action that are related to each other:

1) The fine chocolate industry needs professional certification programs similar to ones that graduate professional sommeliers in wine.

2) The fine chocolate industry needs a $100 bar of chocolate.

If you think about it, if all wine was priced under $20/bottle and the majority of it was mass market and not very well differentiated, there would be no need for sommeliers. The fact that there are $1000 bottles makes $100 bottles seem less extravagant and the $100 bottles make $10-20 bottles seem like very good deals indeed.

More to the point, the actual manufacturing cost difference between the $1000 bottle and the $100 (or $20 bottle) are not as great as the price differences indicate. The price differences are a result of many factors that include wine quality, origin, manufacturer, scarcity, and reviews. What this means in practice is that there is a lot of money in the system that can be used to pay professionals whose job it is to educate people about why it's okay to pay $1000 for a bottle - or $100 for a bottle - when there are lots of much-more-than-adequate $10-20 bottles around.

Getting back to chocolate, most of it is mass market blah that costs $1-3 per bar. Most bars are in the $3-7 range.There is a small handful of bars that cost $10-15, and an even small number of bars that cost $20 or more at least here in the US. Some of the price differential is related to manufacturing costs - e.g., higher prices for beans in smaller quantities. However, here in the US, the largest factors contributing to high retail prices on the most expensive bars are exchange rates (the US$ is fairly weak right now), the cost of importing, and a relatively high cost of specialty foods distribution here in the US. The Bonnat Porcelana bars that cost $25 here in New York can be purchased for half that price in France.

Because the vast majority of chocolate bars is under $7 at retail, there is no money in the systemto pay for professional chocolate sommeliers and professional chocolate critics. There is a small group of people - relatively speaking - who do this, but I don't know a one who can make a decent full-time living being just a chocolate sommelier/critic.

What this means is that there is neither any need for, nor any economic value in, someone pursuing a professional certification because there is no way for anyone to generate a decent return on investment on the time and money invested in earning the certification, in part because the market does not recognize the need for it.

With a $100 chocolate bar (or, ideally, many $100 chocolate bars), the stage is set for the conditions that support professional certifications. The $100 chocolate bar makes the $10-20 bar seem not so unreasonable in price, and, thus "more affordable" for people looking to expand their taste. More importantly, the actual cost of production of a $100 bar is not 10x the cost of a $10 bar, which means that there would be more money in the system for marketing - which supports a host of other activities.

It is also very important that any $100 bar of chocolate be worth that price based on intrinsic factors that people who are knowledgeable about chocolate will agree support that price. The bar doesn't cost $100 because it is decorated with gold leaf or contains every expensive other ingredients: the bar costs $100 because of what went in to its making.

Now, having said that, I don't know exactly what those factors are. However, the idea was also presented at the Origin Chocolate conference in Amsterdam actually for a 100 bar just four days after I proposed it by Philipp Kauffmann, one of the founders of the Original Beans chocolate company, independently of my bringing it up in London. So I am not the only one thinking this way.

Having said all that, I am writing this in the hopes of hearing from members: a) what they think of the idea, in general, and b) what they think attributes of a $100 bar might include. Following are some of my ideas for factors that could contribute to a $100 bar:

#1) When I was talking with Mikkel Friis-Holm in London, he mentioned that he had some chocolate that was inedibly tannic when it was made. He put it away for a couple of months and then tasted it again and the level of tannins was much lower than it was when the chocolate was made. Still inedible, but much better. He is going to taste the chocolate again several months from now to see if it's any better. The corollary here is that there is actually very little wine that is made to be drunk in the days or weeks immediately after it's produced. Virtually all wine made is aged to some extent- and a lot of wine is made knowing that it will take years (or decades) before the wine reaches its optimal drinking condition. Virtually all chocolate is made to consume "young." Even when it's got a shelf life rating of two years, it's made to be consumed within weeks of being made. I wonder what would happen if people deliberately started making chocolate that was not going to be fit for consumption for two to five years, or more? And then selling "bar futures" on the chocolate.

#2) I was talking with Sepp Schnbchler of Felchlin in Amsterdam and he mentioned that Felchlin has quantities of the the 65% Grand Cru Maracaibo dating back to 1999. Whenever a new person comes into his department, they are tasked with re-tempering some of that chocolate which is, of course, all Form VI crystals at this point. Sepp notices some differences in taste between the 1999 "vintage" and the current "vintage" -- mainly in the fact that some of the top-note aromatic notes have disappeared. At the same time, the loss of those top notes should allow other flavor notes to come forward. There are wine and spirits industry practices of vintage blending. For example, in rums, solera blending adds small amounts of aged rum to younger rums to up the "tasting age" and make a limited supply of aged rum go much farther. I wonder what the outcome would be of blending a small amount of a much older chocolate with younger versions of the same chocolate (or different chocolates)? You could get the "youth and vitality" of the newer chocolates with some of the depth and complexity of the older chocolates.

#3)What about inoculating a milk chocolate with a specific mold spore after being aged for one year and then age it for one or more years longer?

The fact is, no-one really knows what the outcomes of such practices would be, because the economics of the $7 bar market don't support such lines of experimentation. But I put the challenge out there to chocolate makers around the word, especially to companies with stock of older chocolates, to start exactly that sort of experimentation - to set aside a very short-term outlook and think about practices that could result in a $100 bar of chocolate that everyone agrees is worth it.

I don't think that the $100 bar will appear this year or next, but it could. Five to ten years is a more reasonable time frame, but only if we get started down this path soon.

Your thoughts?

[Note: Edited by the OP to correct grammar and typos. ]


updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/09/15 09:51:24
Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/29/12 15:22:05
754 posts

White chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Impossible to tell from the info you provided. You'd need to post the details of the formula and the process for it to be properly troubleshooted. My best guess is that it's either moisture, lactose, or emulsifier related.

Goran Vjestica
@Goran Vjestica
11/29/12 13:20:09
19 posts

White chocolate


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Hello everybody,

I make similarly white chocolate but it is dense fluid. I have the problem when I m melting it. It is because of whole milk powder or cocoa butter? I make it in grinder 2 hours.

Maria6
@Maria6
11/03/12 02:13:27
35 posts

White chocolate


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Hello Gap! thank you for the recipe! I will try it next week, may be withoyt lecithin.

Have a nice week-end!

Gap
@Gap
11/01/12 16:15:00
182 posts

White chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I made this recipe last weekend and enjoyed it

Cocoa butter - 33%

Sugar - 36%

Skim milk powder - 7%

26.4% fat whole milk powder - 23%

Vanilla - 0.2%

Lecithin - 0.4%

I left that in the grinder for 20 hours.

Maria6
@Maria6
11/01/12 15:31:40
35 posts

White chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello,

I would like to make some white chocolate with my cocoa butter. Does anyone have a recipe for delicious white chocolate?

thank you in advance!


updated by @Maria6: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Tegan Hagy
@Tegan Hagy
10/30/12 15:19:15
3 posts

Grindeurs/Melangers that are not from India


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hello!

I have used both Inno and Santha small melangers for 3 years now- and am looking to buy a larger melanger. One that can handle at least 40kg. Does anyone have any sources beyond the two mentioned above? I have had numerous problems with both companies - and would actually like to have a grinduer closer to the ones I saw in Mexico- where the stones hang a bit higher and tend to be denser (in comparison with the lava rock type) than the ones produced in India. Are any bean to bar makers on here using a stone melanger that is different? Any input would be helpful!

Thanks!

Tegan


updated by @Tegan Hagy: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/28/12 06:56:23
754 posts

Nut allergies and cross contamination of machines


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Given the legislation and severity of getting it wrong (from the standpoint of impact to potential consumers), i'd go with the most overt labeling route possible. I'd also suggest you have the discussion with your FDA inspector to ensure you're up to speed with the latest information.

FYI, there's a great deal of talk at the FDA around elimination of the 'may contain' type statements - the argument being that either a product does contain something, or it doesn't.

Elaine Hsieh
@Elaine Hsieh
10/27/12 20:06:00
25 posts

Nut allergies and cross contamination of machines


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We have one enrobing machine that we currently enrobe our bonbons and no other product. We'd like to use it to enrobe a number of our confection bars, several of which contain either tree nuts or peanuts. Based on a recent inspection by the FDA, in order to decrease the chance of cross contamination, they stated the order of production for the day should be no-nut product, then tree nut products, and then peanut based products at the end of the day. Typically if we worked with a small machine (5-10lbs), we save the chocolate at the end of the day and reuse it for the peanut based products only.

We label as per regulations of the FDA with "Contains:" and list the specific ingredients (i.e. pecans, coconut, etc.) in that particular product. We also have the "May contains: Traces of ..." on all of our labels.

I had hoped that we could use the enrober (25kg capacity) for both our bonbon and bars, but now am wondering how to do this as we're not going to be emptying our bowl of that much chocolate once we run bars containing nuts through it. If we don't then would we have to state that all of our products "Contains: traces of specific tree nuts, peanuts..." as the phrase "May contains:" is a bit more ambiguous?

What do other people do in this situation? Also, with enrobing our bars, occasionally small bits might fall into the chocolate which with our small machines, we'll strain the chocolate afterwards to remove them. What do you do if it falls into the bowl of the enrobing machine?


updated by @Elaine Hsieh: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Paul Mosca
@Paul Mosca
10/26/12 12:07:38
18 posts

Cocoa Bean Exchange


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Would folks be interested in a cocoa bean like kind exchange? I like to trade cocoa beans of any volume for other cocoa beans. I am interested in Ecuadorian Nationales that are organic certified. I can trade fair trade and organic Peru beans. This exchange may give us all a chance to work with cocoa beans outside or in addition to our normal supply channels.


updated by @Paul Mosca: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Greg Gould
@Greg Gould
11/01/12 07:11:59
68 posts

Care and feeding of chocolate bar molds


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You want to check out this discussion. I just received my bottle of sodium dioxide yesterday and I'm excited to try it out.

http://www.thechocolatelife.com/forum/topics/cleaning-chocolate-molds

Gap
@Gap
10/25/12 21:43:48
182 posts

Care and feeding of chocolate bar molds


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I'm sure everyone has their own way of doing it. For me, I use hot water that melts the chocolate off the mould with a soft sponge (nothing abrasive). The water is hot - I usually have to cool it down at some stage as it gets too hot for my hands.

Then I leave them (wet) on a towel to dry overnight. The next monring I put them away and when I take them out to use them again, I give them a quick polish with cotton wool. I use cotton buds to clean inside sharp edges.

dsfg
@dsfg
10/25/12 21:10:57
31 posts

Care and feeding of chocolate bar molds


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Any tips on this front? I'm using some good polycarb molds. I can get it to work, but it's a pain to get them clean. I think I was told hand washing only and to dry them right away. How hot can the water be? Seems like it's just really hard to get all the corners clean.


updated by @dsfg: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Gap
@Gap
10/24/12 14:50:41
182 posts

Identifying couverture chocolate


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Sorry - posted this in the wrong discussion y'day. Page 3 of this article might come in handy as well

http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/main/chocolate/couverture-chocolate3.asp

Under the heading How Couverture is different from Eating Chocolate.

dsfg
@dsfg
10/24/12 07:20:54
31 posts

Identifying couverture chocolate


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Tom - thanks. I think that will be useful. Unfortunately, you can't always get the fat number until you have the chocolate in hand. It would be so much easier if they broke down the cocoa solids vs. cocoa butter for chocolate that isn't intended directly for eating.

Gap
@Gap
10/23/12 22:13:11
182 posts

Identifying couverture chocolate


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Try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_chocolate

Under the European Union heading are several categories of chocolate and what their requirements are. In that table is listed Couverture Chocolate (Dark) and Milk Couverture. From my understanding, White chocolate is generally not considered a couverture due to the lower amount of fat - someone may correct me on that. If you want to do a bit of Googling, it's easy enough to find the EU standards in full.

Tom
@Tom
10/23/12 21:22:54
205 posts

Identifying couverture chocolate


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I have attached an exel calculator that I use a lot basically because I make chocolate myself and like to see what other formulations manufacturers use. This only works for dark chocolate, so should be fine for your use. You just plug in % cocoa and % total fat and the calculator will spit out % cocoa butter, % cocoa liquor and % sugar.

For example the Valrhona El Pedregal bar on my desk says it is a 64% chocolate and in the nutritional info says 38.8g total fat in 100g so 38.8%. Plug that into the calculator and it tells me that the formulation for this is 36% sugar, 52.5% cocoa liquor and 11.5% cocoa butter.

The calculator assumes the following:

Formulation calculators assume the following:

  1. Dark chocolate is composed of sugar, cocoa liquor, cocoa butter. This calculation doesnt take into account the small amount of lecithin or vanilla added to certain chocolates.
  2. Calculator doesnt work if cocoa powder has been used as an ingredient in the chocolate.
  3. Calculators assume that cocoa liquor (which is just crushed cocoa beans) contains 52% fat.
  4. Calculators use Australian definition of cocoa solids which is cocoa solids is cocoa liquor + cocoa butter.
dsfg
@dsfg
10/23/12 18:36:54
31 posts

Identifying couverture chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques


I'm trying to figure out what is and isn't couverture by looking at the labels, and I'm a bit confused. My understanding is that in general couverture chocolate has more cocoa butter which makes it easier to enrobe/cover stuff. Since the cocoa butter is part of the stated percentage of chocolate, a 70% bar and 70% couverture could be quite different with regard to cocoa mass vs. cocoa butter.

So is there some guessing involved? Is it only couverture if it says so?Are blocks and disks usually couverture? What about the 9oz baking bar at the grocery store?

For example, the Valrhona page on chocosphere has tons of items but the word couverture only occurs 9 times.

As an example, would a Manjari block 64% be the same as a Manjari 64% bar?

How much less cocoa mass and more cocoa butter is most common?

Thx.

- Lane


updated by @dsfg: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Potomac Chocolate
@Potomac Chocolate
11/26/12 08:05:24
191 posts

Equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I haven't looked into presses too much, so I don't have any suggestions. I think there has been some discussion about them here on TCL, though.

Roy McClish
@Roy McClish
11/23/12 16:25:15
9 posts

Equipment


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Thanks Ben.I bought the "little dipper" from Hilliards. Any suggestions on a press?Roy.
Potomac Chocolate
@Potomac Chocolate
11/23/12 06:45:43
191 posts

Equipment


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Hi Roy. To separate the cocoa butter from the liquor, you'll need to buy or build a press. You'll still need to create the liquor from nib first.

Which tempering machine did you get?

Thanks,
Ben

Roy McClish
@Roy McClish
11/21/12 16:03:35
9 posts

Equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks, see my update.
Roy McClish
@Roy McClish
11/21/12 16:03:24
9 posts

Equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks, see my update.
Roy McClish
@Roy McClish
11/21/12 16:03:11
9 posts

Equipment


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Thanks, see my update.
Roy McClish
@Roy McClish
11/21/12 16:02:03
9 posts

Equipment


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Thanks for your suggestions. Here's an update on my equipment progress, it's all getting kinda costly.Roasting: I've oven roasted a few pounds so far. Haven't heard any good cracking. Since I've purchased 220 lbs of cocoa beans, I'll have a lot of practice. I am looking for an oven that I will convert into a roaster. I've purchased the rotisserie rods and the drum that can handle 8-10 pounds. We will see how this turns out.Cracking: crankandstein $180 plus tax and shipping. I bought the accompanying bucket and built a base for it.Winnowing: I did the hairdryer method which seems to work. However since then I have build a tube system that I connect to a shop vac. As the winnowed nibs and husk fall down the tube, the shop vac blows out the husks while the nibs make there way to the bottom. It's ugly and my wife called it "antiquated", but it actually worked really well after I figures out the right lengths.Grinding: Champion Juicer is the bomb. However, I want to grind and separate the cocoa butter from the paste. The juicer creates liqueur but I would rather figure out a better way.Melanger: Cocoatown $500 plus shipping. (Minus $25 discount from this website:))Temperer: man I made a mess of this and have yet to create anything edible. So I purchased a temperer for $1700.00 that should do up to 25 lbs. I'm still waiting on delivery.As I have yet to make anything edible, I have not found a mold or anything along those lines yet. Thanks everyone and I'm open to improvements and instruction.
dsfg
@dsfg
11/21/12 15:07:06
31 posts

Equipment


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I was in your shoes a few months ago so let me share some thoughts.You need to get a melanguer. I'm happy with the Santha 11 I got from chocolate alchemy. Get polycarbonate molds, the ones called "hobby molds" probably won't last a week and I can't see how you'd get air bubbles out with them. You probably want to get some cocoa butter. If you want to start very slowly, you can skip quite a few steps by buying some roasted nibs, put them in a Cuisinart and then into your melangeur without additional processing. My best batch so far was done this way (I got some Madagascar nibs from Amano so not very cost efficient). Beyond that you need a way to temper. You can learn to do it without special equipment or buy a tempering machine. This is the only mistake I feel I made. If you get a tempering machine, spend the extra money for the one that's 6 lbs or 6 kgs or whatever. The Revolation is just too small to handle a full load from the Santha, probably would take 10 cycles.

Good luck.

Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
11/21/12 13:29:36
102 posts

Equipment


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I have settled in buying nibs or liquor and doing my own conch/grind ($600 machine), then temper ($530 machine) and mold ($200 so far). If you roast in your oven, crack in a big mortar pesto, winnow with a blow dryer and do a first grind in a champion juicer (I think $150), I think that is about as basic as you can go.

Erin
@Erin
11/19/12 18:31:28
30 posts

Equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I second that. That's the place to start and figure it out.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
10/23/12 10:18:26
527 posts

Equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

John over at chocolate alchemy sells everything you need. www.ChocolateAlchemy.com

Have fun!

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