Forum Activity for @Thomas Snyder

Thomas Snyder
@Thomas Snyder
04/04/13 18:15:17
26 posts

Chomping at the bit, but I'd like some advice first...


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

So, I've got a decent amount set aside to order the equipment I need for small scale bean-to-bar production, but I wanted to get some advice before ordering well over a thousand bucks worth of stuff.

So far, here's the list of what I'm ordering (it all just happens to be from the same place since I like to order locally, and Chocolate Alchemy is a small business only a state away):

Spectra 11 Melanger ($490)

Behemor 1600 Coffee and Cocoa Roaster (comes with 4 lbs of free cocoa beans!)($300)

Crankandstein Cocoa mill ($190)

Champion Juicer ($240)

Slyph Winnower($200)

Total = $1,420

Is there anything I'm missing from this list? I know I'm gonna need some sugar, and powdered milk, and cocoa butter. I'm also gonna be ordering a 55 pound block of CB from John too, since it's the best price I've seen on organic fair trade cocoa butter ($380 for 55 lbs of deoderized) since I started looking for supplies. I'm gonna wait on ordering it though (and the milk), since I'll be starting with only dark chocolate.

Any comments, questions? Please, help out a novice just starting out!

Thanks in advance!

~Tom


updated by @Thomas Snyder: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Kerry
@Kerry
04/06/13 09:08:03
288 posts

Heating cabinet for chocolate airbrush


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Some folks use a excalibur dehydrator. I've been eyeing reptile incubators lately!

Gap
@Gap
04/03/13 16:40:18
182 posts

Heating cabinet for chocolate airbrush


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I use my Mol d"Art melting tank. Ihave a 6kg tank and find it hold the gun and 4-5 colours. I leave them overnight before I plan to use them and leave them in the tank while I'm working as well.

ANNIBELLE
@ANNIBELLE
04/03/13 14:16:40
2 posts

Heating cabinet for chocolate airbrush


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Thanks Andrea I surely give it a trial.

Annibelle

Andrea B
@Andrea B
04/03/13 12:34:49
92 posts

Heating cabinet for chocolate airbrush


Posted in: Tasting Notes

You can try an inexpensive yogurt maker. They work at low heat. It can be trial and error but I've found that mine without the lid on it works well. I think mine was about $15. The brand of mine is Total Chef Yogurt Maker.

ANNIBELLE
@ANNIBELLE
04/03/13 09:17:03
2 posts

Heating cabinet for chocolate airbrush


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Is anyone knows where to buy a non expensive heating cabinet. I am going to be shooting colored cocoa butter to my molds and saw that having the gun and the cocoa butter in a heating cabinet with the right temperature will save me a lot of time in heating all the time the colored cocoa butters.I found one but is 1800$ do anyone knows a cheaper place.ThanksAnnibel
updated by @ANNIBELLE: 04/10/15 18:20:52
Kaydee Kreitlow
@Kaydee Kreitlow
04/05/13 22:22:56
2 posts

Holding working temperature; tips? Difference between tempering machine and a melter


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you so much! This is exactly the kind of advice I was seeking! I should have been stirring more while I was dipping. I'm making my first large test batch of chocolates in 2 weeks and I will keep that in mind.

-Kaydee

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/05/13 03:16:52
527 posts

Holding working temperature; tips? Difference between tempering machine and a melter


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

To understand tempering chocolate, you need to keep in mind that with the exception of your melting temperature, the cocoa butter is crystalizing ALL the time. At it's ideal working temperature, if you don't agitate it, the chocolate will go solid on you. Also, room temperature plays a big part in the crystalization - especially if you aren't agitating your chocolate properly.

Agitation is THE most important part of working with chocolate. ALL tempering machines will be agitating the chocolate at all times, in order to keep in a working state and prevent it from solidifying. If you are tempering chocolate by hand, you need to be stirring it 100% of the time you are working with it, or you will always get bloom.

One other thing: When you reheat your chocolate on your double boiler (after melting and cooling it) to it's working temperature, remove it from the double boiler approximately 5 degrees LOWER than your target temperature. The reason for this is because your pot will still be hot, and will continue to drag the temperature up (and out of temper) for a few minutes after it is removed from the heat. If you remove it too soon, you can always bring it up a degree or two with a blow dryer on the low setting blown directly on the chocolate while you are stirring it.

Cheers.

Brad.

Gap
@Gap
04/02/13 23:53:41
182 posts

Holding working temperature; tips? Difference between tempering machine and a melter


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

A melter (such as a Mol d'Art is used for keeping chocolate at working temp. It melts the chocolate at a high temp, then you temper the choc and reduce the temp on the melting tank. When you put the tempered choc back into the unit, it holds it at the correct temp. A melter will simply hold the choc at a given temp, it will not temper the chocolate for you.

A tempering machine will do both - it will melt your chocolate, temper it and then hold it at the working temp.

Kaydee Kreitlow
@Kaydee Kreitlow
04/02/13 14:23:22
2 posts

Holding working temperature; tips? Difference between tempering machine and a melter


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I am teaching myself to temper chocolate right now and I'm wondering the best way to hold the temperature of the chocolate. I'm using a double boiler and using both milk and dark chocolate. I followed the temperature curve but still got fat bloom. I dipped approximately 25 chocolates and only about 5 of them turned out without the bloom!

When using the double boiler method, should the temperature of the burner be lowered once the chocolate has reached it's melting temperature?

Any tips for keeping chocolate at a working temperature will be greatly appreciated.

I've been looking into getting a tempering machine or the more European style pan melter at some point. Can the melter be used for tempering? How should I decide which one to get (aside from cost, unless one is more economical with the same results)?


updated by @Kaydee Kreitlow: 04/11/25 09:27:36
dean2
@dean2
04/01/13 08:06:39
1 posts

cocoa in ecuador


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi, I am a raw foodist from New Zealand living in switzerland and have developed the love of making raw chocolate and I am travelling in ecuador at the moment to escape the swiss winter.

I really want to buy coca [sic: cocoa is probably what was meant] products and apart from ready made chocolate bars I am struggling to find anywhere I can buy the raw product ie. powder, butter, nibs or anything 100%. Does anyone know anywhere in quito [Ecuador]that I could buy wholesale amounts. Or any other place that has good organic cocoa. I have 1 more month here till early may and would really love to find a good supplier who I can ship stuff back to switzerland regularly later down the track as well.


updated by @dean2: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
03/31/13 19:46:50
194 posts

Opinion on chocolate temperer


Posted in: Opinion

I have one with the enrober. It is a good little machine. Like Kerry says, low tech. It isn't the greatest temper, but for the price, it certainly will get the job done.

Kerry
@Kerry
03/31/13 19:04:04
288 posts

Opinion on chocolate temperer


Posted in: Opinion

They are pretty low tech - don't think you need to worry too much about a lemon. They are made in Quebec so if a thermostat goes you should be able to get replacements easily. I like the idea of the Air vs their water version.

You can add a Perfect enrober to the Air 2 as well when your business grows more (I think I saw one for sale on the classifieds here on CL) .

Jeff5
@Jeff5
03/31/13 14:52:31
1 posts

Opinion on chocolate temperer


Posted in: Opinion

Hi everyone! Just wanted to ask your professional opinions on a temperer I've found locally. [Edited to add: Locally is Toronto, Ontario, Canada.]

A shop in my area is going out of business and they are selling their temperer. I believe it is an Air 2 made by Perfect inc (just the info the seller has send me, so I haven't had a chance to verify). The seller mentioned he used this unit more for a melter versus a temperer (using compound) The machine appears to be 10 plus years old and does have a wheel attachment. It's a counter unit.
I don't have an immediate need for the machine, but also know they don't come up used too often. He's asking for $1200 for the unit. Which I believe is fair. I'd be interested to hear your opinions and what the downside/ additional cost will be if I get a lemon. He was using the machine up until a few weeks ago.
Thanks


updated by @Jeff5: 04/10/15 10:35:12
Valerie Herskowitz
@Valerie Herskowitz
04/07/13 21:59:01
14 posts

Best candy boxes for shipping


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Thanks so much for ALL that great information!!! You are a wealth of knowledge, and it's so nice that you are willing to share it.
Carley Felton
@Carley Felton
04/05/13 10:16:35
8 posts

Best candy boxes for shipping


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Sometimes the Flat Rate Shipping is great, depending on what you are sending. But if your items are smaller and weigh less than a pound, you may want to look into sending it regular mail because it can by way cheaper! I send my 4 pc truffle boxes out for $2.60 using the post office and my own boxes (cost of box included in that #) Another issue is the weight of the ice packs, they can add a lot of price to the shipping, so sometimes the flat rate boxes are good for that. It just depends on the weight of your boxes and how much you are shipping. You have to figure out the balance. During the holiday season I found that the flat rate priority mail boxes had the same shipping time as regular mail, items were arriving 4 days after the estimated time on the receipt for priority mail. So sometimes looking into getting a fedex acct is just the same or cheaper, and def. more reliable.

Another item - using bubble wrap is great but think about adding some nice touches, i use paper shred in all my boxes and it looks a lot better than bubble wrap and is probably cheaper, they come in 20lb boxes and last for many mailings and are good for other things like gift baskets and other decor accents.

Happy Friday!

Valerie Herskowitz
@Valerie Herskowitz
04/04/13 22:03:58
14 posts

Best candy boxes for shipping


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Thanks so much! I bought the candy boxes, candy trays and candy cups. I also ordered ice packs and bubble wrap. I was thinking of doing a couple of trial runs using USPS since they offer flat rate shipping which includes the box. Any comments on that?
Carley Felton
@Carley Felton
04/03/13 14:27:40
8 posts

Best candy boxes for shipping


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi Valerie,

Pick out the candy boxes you like and fit your brand, then go to ULine or another shipping supplies store and find sturdy boxes to ship your candy boxes in. This is much cheaper than buying the boxes at your shipping store in your city. Uline has many different dimensions and they hold up in shipping well. Also Daniel is right, make sure to include the candy trays and candy pads in your candy boxes, this helps a great deal in shipping. Candy cups help too!

Daniel Herskovic
@Daniel Herskovic
03/31/13 11:09:32
132 posts

Best candy boxes for shipping


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi Valerie,

I would recommend checking out the boxes at Chocolat Chocolat in Quebec. Putting your chocolate bon bons in a candy tray with a candy pad on top of the confections is the safest way for your bon bons to arrive safely. I would just be sure that your bon bons are designed to fit the candy tray. Good luck!

Daniel

Valerie Herskowitz
@Valerie Herskowitz
03/30/13 22:06:53
14 posts

Best candy boxes for shipping


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Can anyone recommend a sturdy box that can be used for Internet sales? And should you use boxes that have candy trays or can you use candy cups? Thanks. I'm new to shipping
updated by @Valerie Herskowitz: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Daniel Herskovic
@Daniel Herskovic
03/31/13 11:06:19
132 posts

DIY enrobing machine?


Posted in: Geek Gear - Cool Tools (Read-Only)

Wow! Good luck to you! I look forward to hearing the developments of this project!

Paul Ireson
@Paul Ireson
03/30/13 10:49:36
4 posts

DIY enrobing machine?


Posted in: Geek Gear - Cool Tools (Read-Only)

I've been toying with the idea of making a small tempering/enrobing machine - I'm thinking that in principle they're not *too* complicated, and at present I'm producing quite small quantities of truffles so a big machine would be overkill (and more than I can afford).

I'm thinking of something along the lines of... taking a small chocolate fountain machine (as it has a pump and heating element), adding thermostatic control to the heating element to allow tempering, then adding some tubing to re-route the chocolate flow to a simple 'waterfall' positioned over a simple conveyer belt (that might take a small dip downwards through a trough to cover the truffle bases)

Now there's plenty of detail to get right there, but I'm just wondering if anyone has tried anything like this before and has any pointers...


updated by @Paul Ireson: 12/13/24 12:15:15
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/02/13 08:27:48
1,696 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Brad:

From personal experience dealing with many, many people in the chocolate world at all levels of experience and understanding from all over the world for more than a decade, I can tell with certainty that it is possible for someone to hold two contradictory opinions in their heads at the same time. Usually it is out of ignorance (often only partial knowledge as we all know a little knowledge is a dangerous thing) and not out of any deliberate attempt to misrepresent.

What I do like about the above reply is that you spent some time to find and present information about HAACP and present it in this discussion.

What I don't like about the above is that you presume malice on the part of the OP. I am a voracious reader and one quote I like is(I am paraphrasing here): "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance." I also like this one from Goethe: "...misunderstandings and neglect create more confusion in this world than trickery and malice. At any rate, the last two are certainly much less frequent."

The root of my approach to moderating TheChocolateLife is to assume that people have incomplete knowledge and incomplete understanding. It is rare, I have found for people to deliberately misrepresent themselves here.

That's where I start from. I've been working in chocolate for over a decade and I freely admit that there is stuff I don't know. And there is stuff I will never know. But it's one of the reasons I started TheChocolateLife - so I could learn from thousands of others around the world who love chocolate. I did not create TheChocolateLife as a forum for members to publicly shame and ridicule other members because they did not have perfect knowledge.

There's a line in my book about the most important thing to take to a chocolate tasting - and that's a sense of humor. I go on to say that it's okay to take the chocolate seriously but we should be wary about taking our selves too seriously. Having humility and empathy is important, in my opinion.

And that's the tone I am striving for here, and it has certainly informed my approach to my chocolate career, moving away from calling myself a critic and focusing on mentoring and educating.

I try to lead by example - and sometimes I fail. And the community has lost some very strong, technically, members. And the community is the less for that. However, it's important for me to keep in mind at all times that this is just chocolate.

Brad - You have a lot of useful and valuable information to impart to the community. What you don't recognize (or if you do you simply don't care) is that you undermine yourself and your knowledge when you choose to be confrontational.

All I am asking is that you respect my wishes about how I want members address and speak to other members. I am very clear about that in the member guidelines and in the way I moderate discussions. You can make all the points you make - and people will actually want to listen to you - by being less confrontational.

It's like Gordon Ramsey is your role model here.

TheChocolateLife is not your community. You may feel, as a member, that you are entitled to unbridled expression: That is not the case.If you want a place where you are free to say whatever you want, however you want, then by all means start your own blog or community and open it up forunmoderated(prior to posting) comments from readers/members. It is in this last aspect that I lost any remaining shred of respect for Sam. She makes untrue allegations about me - publicly - but is unwilling to allow any form of feedback or rebuttal.

And at this point, I am closing this discussion for at least 48 hours to let the flames die down.


updated by @Clay Gordon: 06/13/15 18:32:21
Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
04/01/13 23:45:05
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

You dont have a point Brad just a series of condescending, poorly constructed, rude rants. Upon reflection they are more laughable than libellous.

Can I say my (as in bought in burk) cacao powder is light brown? Appears roughly grinded? Tastes fantastic but sometimes a bit bitter? I (John) care about organics, fair trade and the nutritional value of foods. Why can't I say that? Or is it against your overbearing, chocolate fascist rules?

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/01/13 23:10:08
527 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

The point that I'm getting at is that as it applies to your original question, who cares if it's "fair trade, organic cold pressed"??? These qualities whether true or not are irrelevant. It's just cocoa powder, yet you seemed to feel it important to qualify it for some reason.

If cocoa powder is "fair trade" does that make the particle size different? Nope.

If the cocoa powder is "organic", does that make the particle size different? Nope.

If it's "cold pressed" (even IF you can prove that claim which I don't believe you can), does that make the particle size different? Nope again.

Particlesize is directly related to the milling of the press cake after the valuable cocoa butter is extracted.

I fully understand the English Language, and fully understand that the adjectives you added to the noun were irrelevant to begin with, and mislead people into believing it is something which it isn't, when what most cocoa powder really is, is a by-product of extracting cocoa butter from beans that nobody wants to make into chocolate.

You can call me names all you want, because that's all you have. You can provide NO valuable or substantiable information which refutes what I claim.

But then again, what do I know, I wasn't on the debate team in school. I was busy being a dumb jock.

Brad

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
04/01/13 22:42:25
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

>it's highly doubtful that you even have a clue if it's fair trade or organic!

We have copies of the organic certifications...

>the guy who misleads people

In what way? By saying we buy cold pressed cacao powder from reputable suppliers...

>Either Iceblocks is lying about HACCP,
>OR Iceblocks is lying about his cocoa butter being cold pressed.

Because the suppliers claim its raw, before combining with other pasteurized products, the powder must be pasteurized. That is actually a HACCP critical control step.
We don't use cocao butter. What a burk.

What's highly doubtful is your ability to comprehend English or intellectually understand. What is unquestionable is your condescending rudeness

Now can we get back on topic

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/01/13 22:02:54
527 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

You're right about my reference to cocoa butter. However, everything else I say is accurate, unless you would like to prove otherwise.

The nice thing about anonline forum is that it enables exchange - certainly an exchange that allows you to dismiss my observations.

Go ahead and please do.

Cheers

Brad

Tom. I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out things that I see.

Having said that, I would LOVE to have IceBlocks explain the relevance of "raw" and "cold pressed" when it applies to either cocoa butter OR cocoa powder, when the process of pasteurization nullifies that by bringing the temperature of the product in excess of 165 degrees F for several minutes - far above what people find acceptable for "raw" food.

After all, we're ALL about sharing here. Right?

Thomas Snyder
@Thomas Snyder
04/01/13 20:55:40
26 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I tried to diffuse the situation, but he seems determined to be upset about the issue. *shrugs*

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
04/01/13 20:40:52
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

We don't use cocoa butter. Nor have I ever said we did! We use "cacao powder" which the two Australian suppliers we have bought it from claim is "raw" organic and fair trade.

You are off topic, condescending, rude and potentially libellous and I'm surprised this site allows trolls to continue posting un censored.
Chocotoymaker
@Chocotoymaker
04/01/13 20:21:36
55 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I am def watching your show

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/01/13 15:25:29
527 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

99% of the time I can't disagree with what you've written here Tom.

In this particular case, IceBlocks comes across as someone technically astute. After all, how many chocolatiers do you know of who talk about sending their cocoa powder to a lab for analysis?

HERE'S A BETTER ONE: Iceblocks says they have to conform to HACCP as required by the Australian Government. HACCP is an acronym which stands for Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point and is a very comprehensive program that companies use to identify critical points of potential microbial contamination in their manufactured food. Given that the Australian Government has determined that raw cocoa powder is contaminated and needs sterilization (or so Iceblocks says), it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together and conclude that raw cocoa butter comes from raw cocoa beans, and if raw cocoa solids are contaminated, the raw cocoa butter would DEFINITELY be considered contaminated too and thus a critical control point in the manufacturing process, which would definitely mandate further research into the supplier's claims, and also require a step to sterilize it, which would ALSO mean the fact that it's cold pressed would be irrelevant, because it would be heated at some point!

In the manufacturing world, it is common knowledge that fats such as cocoa butter act as fabulous preservatives and suspension mediums for pathogens such as eColi and Salmonella - allowing the bacterium to live much longer than if they were just on the surface of a food item.

For further educational purposes (after all, we're here to learn right?), here are the seven key points to an effective HACCP program: Note that STEP ONE mandates that Iceblocks should have done his homework LONG before he wrote about raw processed cocoa butter.

HACCP step 1 requires manufacturers to conduct a hazard analysis; they must identify food hazards and implement a written HACCP plan for food hazards that are reasonably likely to occur during processing. [46] Step 2 requires manufacturers to identify within the HACCP plan the critical control points (CCPs)the points in the manufacturing process where the identified food hazards can be minimizedand the measures that will be taken to control the hazards. [47] The third step requires manufacturers to identify and establish critical limits, the outer boundaries in which physical, biological, or chemical parameters must remain in order to control the food hazards. [48]

HACCP steps 4, 6 and 7establishing monitoring, record-keeping and verification proceduresensure the proper day-to-day functioning of the manufacturing process. Manufacturers must maintain records documenting the ongoing application of the HACCP; this requires written proof that the processor is monitoring the critical control points and critical limits, i.e., the actual recording of times, temperatures, and other measurements required by the HACCP plan. [49] Furthermore, the food processors must verify that the HACCP plan is being implemented properly. Trained individuals must review the companys HACCP records and consumer complaints, check the calibration of process monitoring instruments, and, when necessary, conduct periodic end-product or in-process testing. [50] Because scientific knowledge is always expanding, the food processor must also validate its HACCP plan annually; if the food processor had earlier concluded that no hazards were present and no HACCP plan was needed, it must reassess its earlier hazard analysis whenever there are any changes that could reasonably affect whether a food hazard now exists. [51]

The final HACCP step (step 5) requires manufacturers to establish corrective actions. Manufacturers must include within their HACCP plans corrective actions for situations in which a deviation from a critical limit occurse.g., when sterilization machinery does not maintain the proper temperature. [52] These plans should ensure that any injurious product is withheld from the stream of commerce and that the cause of the deviation is corrected. [53] Should a deviation occur for which there is no plan, the manufacturer must quarantine the potentially injurious product; determine whether the food product meets the safety criteria for distribution; and take appropriate action to ensure that any injurious product does not reach consumers and that the cause of the deviation is corrected. [54] Anytime the manufacturer takes corrective actions, the actions must be documented. [55] Importantly, when a deviation occurs for which there is no plan, the manufacturer must reassess the HACCP plan, and make any necessary modifications to the plan; this requirement ensures that when unexpected deviations occur, the manufacturer will reassess and rework the safety and quality controls it has built into the system. [56]


For further reading on the HACCP infrastructure, please feel free to visit the following web page: http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8965572/Axelrod06.html?s...


There is no way around this. Either Iceblocks is lying about HACCP, OR Iceblocks is lying about his cocoa butter being cold pressed. It is logically impossible to know about one, and not care/not know about the other. Iceblocks is not simply "misinformed."

I stand by what I said before. Shame on Iceblocks.

I guess there is one other possibility: Iceblocks doesn't have a clue about either HACCP, OR cold pressing of cocoa butter, in which case double shame on him.

Brad

Thomas Snyder
@Thomas Snyder
04/01/13 14:07:09
26 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Brad, maybe it wasn't so much of a lie as it was just misinformation? It seems that maybe IceBlocks is of about the same knowledge level as I am (that is, having read up on most things readily available, but doesn't have the working knowledge of the industry that a veteran chocolatier would have?), and took a supplier's terms that he used at face value. I think you're really upset at his supplier for labeling something as "cold-pressed" that obviously (to someone who knows what the process of separating cocoa butter from the powder truly entails) could never have undergone such a process.

I do understand where you're coming from, since as a professional it irks to hear someone use terms like that so improperly. There needs to be a standard that everyone is held to, and deceptive labeling should be punished appropriately. BUT, that doesn't mean that an entrepreneur who is ignorant of certain parts of the process should be derided and chastised for a simple mistake.

How about educating him on the reasons as to why it's impossible for him to have "cold-pressed, raw cocoa butter" instead of berating him for not having this knowledge beforehand? I mean, that's the point of these forums, right? For people to come together and share knowledge of cocoa and chocolate?

Peace and Love!

~Tom

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/01/13 10:09:25
527 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I wasn't overbearing or condescending.

I simply caught a liar in a lie. After all Clay, it wasn't like the words just "slipped" off of IceBlocks' keyboard! He consciously typed them, and even made sure they were spelled right. In fact they were even used in correct context, which can only lead a person to believe that IceBlocks KNOWS what the words mean, and the impact they have.

SOMEBODY needs to step up and call to task those who purposely misrepresent themselves and/or their products. If nobody did this, what value would forums like this have?

"language used..."??? I didn't know "shame on you" was swearing.

If you want to chastize someone in your "house of business" chastize the guy who misleads people, and not the guy who points out obvious marketing BS designed to mislead others.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/31/13 14:51:03
1,696 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Brad:

The language and attitude is totally uncalled for. We've had these discussions privately. You can make the points you want to make without being either overbearing or condescending.

Please.

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
03/30/13 23:06:38
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

1) I have a copy of the organic certification certificates for the cacao powder...

2) Fair trade products come with a FLO ID...

3) I assume if a reputable supplier describes it as cold pressed that it is...

4) We legally have to pasteurize it, so it's not raw, so don't care if it was...

5) Whats the problem with people wanting a vegan product? It's their choice.

6) What is your problem with organics? We choose to stimulate demand for something we believe in. Ours and our customers choice.

7) If you cant meet a demand don't whine to me

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/30/13 22:18:25
527 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I just got home from a great weekend in the mountains to read this trash!

IceBlocks, you throw around buzzwords like you know what you're talking about (...ourfair trade, organic cold pressed... blah blah) , and then when pressed by someone who REALLY DOES know what he's talking about you confess PUBLICLY nonethelessthat you don't even know if it is "cold pressed".

It's people like you that I got into this industry in the first place - people who use words because they sound good, and without concern of the ramifications that they have when a consumer reads them and then goes into a LEGIT business and says "I'm raw vegan and I want to purchase chocolate made with cold pressed cocoa butter." Then my staff have to undo the damage YOU have caused.

Personally I'm dumbfounded that you haven't even thoroughly researched your ingredients in the first place, and given what you've written here, it's highly doubtful that you even have a clue if it's fair trade or organic!

Shame on you.

Brad.

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
03/30/13 18:45:00
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Flick me an email at info@iceblocks.name to discuss powder.JohnThe cold pressed thing is not a big deal to us, so we have never fully investigated 'cold' claims.We have to pasteurize the powder ourselves anyhow to meet Australian legal food safety / HACCP requirements.Organic is a differentiator though.Fair trade we like to support if appropriate.Would be great to make a truly fantastic chocolate ice block.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/30/13 05:03:03
754 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I'm afraid there is no such thing as a cold pressed cocoa powder - at least i've never seen one. it may be an expeller process, but it's still going to be a hot process. The purpose of pressing is to get the cocoa butter out, and if the cocoa butter is solid, it won't come out. If you use a supercritical solvent extraction process, you can keep the temperature down, but it wont be organic then.

Really the only benefit of keeping the temp low might be to keep some of the heart healthy components around longer - which are bitter.

Sounds like whomever is making it isn't giving you quite the right process description, and from what you're indicating, however they're grinding it is simply insufficient. there's plenty of cocoa processors in your neck of the woods who will be capapble of doing a typical grind cocoa powder. i think i might know the answer - but out of curiosity who's supplying your current powder?

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
03/29/13 21:04:01
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Well we have been concerned about graininess for some time with one of our fair trade, organic cold pressed powders. The settled larger particles also seem more bitter. We have had some chocolate experts test the ice blocks and they agree about the grainyness.

Ill contact the CSIRO and the Symbio lab on Tuesday to see if they can do particle size and distribution. My guess is that the powder is quite coarse (i can see particles on sifting) and a bit of milling in something like a Buhler powder mill would turn it into a less bitter more smooth iced confection offering.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/29/13 18:15:48
754 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I think you'd need to determine what it is you need, why you need it - and then determine how to get there. my guess is there's quite a bit of cocoa out there already that suits your needs... but then again you may have very unique needs!

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
03/29/13 15:49:29
81 posts

Cacao Powder Grinding


Posted in: Tasting Notes

That's interesting machinery. Thinking about it I really need to quantify the problem first. I suppose getting a particle size distribution test done is the way to go?
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