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Mark J Sciscenti
@Mark J Sciscenti
03/07/10 09:47:30
33 posts

Selling at farmer's markets... in the heat of summer?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Tracy, you might consider contacting Sarah Hart, on this site. She owns Alma chocolates in Portland OR and has been selling at her local farmers market for years. She actually started just selling at the farmers market, now she has a wonderful shop but she still sells at the market. She would be a good person to contact.I am thinking of selling my chocolate at a farmers market near where I live too so this discussion is timely, thanks!-Mark Sciscenti
Tracy Bradford
@Tracy Bradford
03/07/10 05:33:59
6 posts

Selling at farmer's markets... in the heat of summer?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I sell my pottery at craft shows and there are many food vendors there. The chocolate booths mostly seem to dice up their product and give very small samples (handed to the customer with tongs). Otherwise, they'd be wiped out. I had a friend who made chocolate sauce and he was so disgusted at his first show at the amount of product he felt he had to give away just to make sales.I chuckled when you mention the Costco phenomenon of free samples. I was at a wholesale trade show in Chicago where food items, as well as household goods were being shown to shop owners. There were two aisles of food (with samples of course), then you round a corner and the gift items started. Well, the first booth people came to from the food aisle was a booth of very life-like stuffed animals, mostly cats. One of the kitties was in a crouched position so the sales person put a bowl of kitty food in front of it to heighten the life like effect. Well, I watched a woman come around the corner, not bother to even look at the items in the booth and simple grab a big handful of kitty food and stuff it into her mouth as she kept walking. Once the food was in there she did hesitate and look back at the booth. To her credit she kept her dignity and swallowed it. Bleck! Sorry to go off topic..... won't do it again I promise!
Tracy Bradford
@Tracy Bradford
03/05/10 15:29:32
6 posts

Selling at farmer's markets... in the heat of summer?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks Elena, that's all very helpful. The farmer's mrkt now sounds like a do-able way to go. Very good point about the layering of ice and pans to reduce condensation.Tracy
Tracy Bradford
@Tracy Bradford
03/05/10 09:49:11
6 posts

Selling at farmer's markets... in the heat of summer?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello! I am new on the list and enjoying reading all the posts on the forum. I'm trying to put together a plan to start selling my chocolate in a small way (since my pottery business is full time) at farmers markets. Does anyone do this and if so, how do you keep your chocolate from becoming a puddle? I'm assuming coolers but... if the customer can't see the chocolate how do you convince them to buy it? Good photos? Thank you in advance! Tracy
updated by @Tracy Bradford: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
10/15/10 18:17:24
1,696 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Jeff -You make some very good points about the role of a co-op like TCGA and how it can be pivotal to the growth and development of a community. However, the TCGA's role as a market maker is unusual, if not unique, because the TCGA has a guaranteed buyer. This is not the case for all FT co-ops. There is a downside to the guarantee, however, as the contract with G&B contains a multi-year rolling average provision to reduce volatility. It doesn't benefit the farmers because the FT contract already contains a minimum price provision. The beneficiary is the buyer who was insulated from the recent price surge.The larger point I am trying to make is that the reality of Fair Trade - on the ground to farmers and their families - is a far different from that portrayed by FLO. Many people still believe that when they buy Fair Trade that money goes directly to farmers.As I have maintained all along, FT is a part of a solution, not the solution, and that alternatives need to be considered. A Direct Trade model (like the one we've been mooting over at 5percent4farmers.ning.com) makes a lot more sense because of the inherent transparency.
Jeff Pzena
@Jeff Pzena
10/15/10 10:01:56
2 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Clay,I'm very familiar with the situation with the specific co-op and at least generally familiar with how Fair Trade operates. If you rely on your numbers and figure out the financial impact of each farmer on a percentage basis, you would see that each farmer on average earns an extra 5% from being Fair Trade certified. The fact that the nominal amount is a pittance is another story. Not sure you could really consider that 900 farmers in the coop are actively producing. If so, the average farmer produces less than 100 pounds of beans a year. My guess is that only a third are active so the financial impact is threefold.As you acknowledged, the Toledo Cacao Grower's Association (TCGA) is a market maker. Without them, farmers would have no one to sell to. Who would spend the time aggregating the crops of hundreds of farmers and arranging for shipment to an international buyer if not the TCGA? These farmers are Fair Trade certified because it is part of the marketing of Green & Black's Chocolate (TCGA's primary buyer) and therefore a requirement of the product.If you think about it from this perspective, it's almost like a union job. Sure, some unions may waste their member's money, but the member has a job that otherwise wouldn't be available. In this case the farmer is better off selling a Fair Trade product than not selling at all.I do agree that the amounts charged by the Fair Trade Labeling Organizations are exorbitant; a direct trade model makes more sense. Perhaps if Green & Black's/Kraft and the TCGA gave up on Fair Trade labeling, each entity could pass that much more on to the farmers.Jeff
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/05/10 07:04:01
1,696 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Brian:Your experiences are valuable and valued and I am glad you shared them. I think each of us has something that we're "expert" at - I just happen to very open to sharing my experiences and what I've synthesized from them.You are so right - the system that seems to make so much sense to consumers in "developed" nations doesn't make a whole lot of sense to farmers in "undeveloped" areas of the world when they learn of the benefits for the work required to earn them.Consumers (especially here in the US) have to learn that inexpensive food is not a birthright, and shareholders in companies need to reward corporate social responsibility (CSR) programs that deliver tangible value and aren't just greenwashing.
Erin
@Erin
03/28/10 00:20:26
30 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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You nailed this one on it's head. Thanks Clay.Cotton Tree Chocolate also buys beans from TCGA and has no problem with paying for the Fair Trade premium for the beans. Because Cotton Tree Chocolate is such a small company, the costs to get Fair Trade certification on the packaging were prohibitive. Cotton Tree Chocolate and Sustainable Harvest International work together towards making a more sustainable living for these farmers. These beans are not exported to be processed elsewhere. The ingredients for Cotton Tree Chocolate come from Belize. Locals are hired to make chocolate in the very same town as TCGA. Cotton Tree Chocolate is produced and sold only in Belize and works to create a better living for the people of Belize.The Fair Trade labeling requirements favor larger chocolate making companies with deeper pockets without looking at how much is actually being done to help the local community and it's farmers.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/11/10 14:27:36
1,696 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Hidden in plain sight in the 2008 TransFair USA annual report is an indication of just how different the perception of "FairTrade" is from reality.On page 19, the following numbers are presented in huge type:160,000 farmers impacted$200,000 granted to producer organizationsNot sure whether that's outright grants or premiums, but US$1.25 per farmer doesn't sound like a whole lot, does it?The 2008 Audited Financials (click to download 2008_TFUSA_Audited_Finan... make for some interesting reading - you get a fair sense of where money comes in and where it goes. For example, rent on the Oakland HQ in 2008 was over $500,000. Having visited the TCGA offices in Punta Gorda I can assure you that their rent is a lot less.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/08/10 08:17:58
1,696 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Read my new post on this topic: Unfair Trade: Is FairTrade Scalable? .For my alternative approach to FairTrade, visit 5percent4farmers .
Mark J Sciscenti
@Mark J Sciscenti
03/07/10 10:34:51
33 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


Posted in: Opinion

This is good Clay. I've been speaking about this very subject at lectures for several years now and people are generally shocked to learn the details. This issue is quite complicated. You've gone into some detail here with figures that I appreciate.I often had customers in my shop who asked whether I carried fair-trade chocolate (and/or organic) and I spoke to them about this subject. Most people would accept my explanation and buy chocolate but some people would not buy unless it had the fair-trade label.I've never gotten a straight answer from reps from the fair-trade or other companies involved with this issue (rainforest alliance is difficult at best...).I agree with David that you might consider contacting Huffington on this.There are plenty of great and wonderful chocolate makers (bean to bar) that deal directly with growers and pay way above not only market but fair-trade too. Some are contactable on this site.Thanks and I look forward to the follow through...-Mark
Charlie
@Charlie
03/05/10 18:45:55
3 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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As once a member of Fair Trade for coffee I found that it does not make a difference in quality of the product and in fact the farmers only receive a small and I mean very small percent. Ask the Fair Trade Org to show you their financial output and you will be banished from their membership. Not really but you will never receive what you ask for! I do believe in assisting these farmers in making more profit but not by using several middleman companies that take most off the top. I actually question what true organic really is. If by the time you receive your product is it still considered organic? Fumes from the cargo area are absorbed by a lot of products. Organic label does not eliminate the entire use of fertilizers but will allow a low % of various types. This is what I have read under guidelines for declaring organic food. Maybe cacao is different, to new in the biz to know really. I do know the farmers deserve better and would be better off dealing direct.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/05/10 15:35:22
1,696 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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David - very interesting suggestion. This is just a part of a larger picture I want to draw that includes my recent experiences in Bolivia and Grenada. When I get done I will definitely follow up. Thanks!:: Clay
David L Fishman
@David L Fishman
03/05/10 15:29:50
1 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Clay's intriguing analysis of this problem begs the question of whether there is genuinely any such thing as "fair trade" cacao, or if this noble term accurately applies to any other product involving physical labor (bananas, coffee, sugar, etc.) for that matter. During the Chocolate Retreat in Belize that I attended with him from 2/20-27/10, he referred to at least one cacao distributor who engages in "direct trade" which sounded far more preferable to the bureaucracy and red tape instrinsic to officially labeled "Fair Trade" cacao. If the U.S. Commerce Dept. and the Trade Representative specifically would take concrete action on this human rights issue, then caveat emptor would not be an essential principle for ethical consumerism to thrive among progressively minded activists who want to enjoy these products without being complicit in international human rights abuses. My practical advice to Clay regarding this article is to directly contact Arianna Huffington & ask her to post this article to the Huffington Post at www.huffingtonpost.com , or accept his submission with links included as reference points. Many more millions of politically interested citizens will be alerted to this critical problem on that site and simultaneously attract more readers to this Chocolate site as well. This subject belongs in the HP Green section will I know her staff will welcome this discussion with open arms.
Jeff Stern
@Jeff Stern
03/05/10 08:59:22
78 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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Great post and great analysis, thanks Clay.
Duffy Sheardown
@Duffy Sheardown
03/05/10 03:46:18
55 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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I would want to also ask them why I can't use the phrase "Fairtrade sugar" in my list of ingredients ont he back of a wrapper after paying the premium? Oh - I have to pay the premium AND pay the organisation? Now I understand....DuffyRed Star Chocolate Ltd
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/04/10 16:06:26
1,696 posts

Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers


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FAQ: Do Fair Trade certified cacao farmers reliably earn more money than cacao farmers who are not Fair Trade Certified and reliably benefit from increased world market prices?


Answer : Probably not.

What? How can this be? A hint at the true nature of how "fair" Fair Trade is can be found in the FAQ on the TransFair USA web site. Many people believe that Fair Trade benefits farmers directly. However, you have to go to the Advanced FAQs page to learn that individual farmers don't benefit directly, though this is not how Fair Trade is understood by the general public . Fair Trade premiums are paid to farmer co-ops who deduct a variety of operating expenses (including certification costs - which are not directly mentioned and are bundled into "administrative costs") from the premium paid. Thus it is quite likely - almost certain - that the average individual cocoa farmer receives little to no actual direct benefit from Fair Trade certification .

Let's do some math. Say that the Toledo Cacao Growers Association sold 40 tonnes of cocoa to Green and Black's (previously bought by Cadbury which was just purchased by Kraft) in 2009. Now Green and Black's tries to do the right thing and pays the entire Fair Trade premium ($150/tonne) irrespective of world market price, even though they are allowed to reduce the premium they pay as the world market price goes up.

This means that the maximum Fair Trade premium on 40 tonnes in 2009 would have been US$6000 (or Bz$12,000). From this amount it's prudent to account for and deduct all of the costs associated with attaining and maintaining Fair Trade certification. I was unable to discover what those are at the TCGA, but for argument's sake let's say they run to 8% to make the math easy, or just under Bz$1000 (they are likely far higher).

At the moment, there are nearly 900 active farmers in the TCGA. If the remaining premium (Bz$11,000) got distributed evenly it would mean that each farmer would receive about Bz$12 (or US$6) extra annually for their work. Fifty cents a month . More likely, the premium distribution is pro-rated according to how much cocoa gets contributed so some farmers will get more - while most get less - and the actual percentage of the premium available to be paid out is lower because overhead costs are much higher than 8%.

And this US$6 average per farmer figure is only because Green and Black's pays the maximum Fair Trade premium irrespective of market price.

How is this Fair?

One of the underlying fallacies of the whole Fair Trade pricing and premium structure is the assumption that, as the world price for an agricultural commodity (e.g., cocoa) increases, farmers automatically get paid more. In fact, this is not often the case because farmers are insulated from market prices through a variety of layers and mechanisms. In Grenada, the Grenada Cocoa Association sets the price, and it does not have to (and does not) reflect market prices as the quality of its cocoa is so high and the amount produced so low that it commands a premium over world market prices often exceeding US$1000/tonne. In Belize, the price paid to the TCGA (and therefore the price the TCGA pays to its farmer members) is based on a 5-year rolling average of the world market price. This rolling average protects Green and Black's from price volatility - at the expense of the farmer.

To be fair, Green and Black's does bring value to the TCGA and to its member farmers by providing a guaranteed market. Guaranteed markets are hard to find in the world and its presence in and around Punta Gorda has benefited farmers in the area immensely because they know they have a buyer for what they produce.However, the guaranteed market is a benefit Green and Black's offers and is not an intrinsic benefit of Fair Trade. In fact, a portion of this guaranteed market is about to go away as the new owners (Kraft) are shifting production from Italy to Canada requiring different organic certification and the TCGA will no longer be purchasing transitional cacao (cacao from farms in the process -which takes up to three years - of being certified organic).

The point to make here is not that Fair Trade is bad, but to acknowledge that while its aims are noble it is part of a solution, andnot the solution. It is important to remember that Fair Trade is a business. And while that business demands transparency and accountability from its member organizations all the way down to the farmer co-ops it certifies, as a business it does not demand the same accountability and transparency of itself .

Because of the nature of reporting required to achieve and maintain certification, I challenge FLO and ALL of the member organizations to publish, annually, a clear and detailed accounting of:

-) how the premium that gets paid varies based on changes in world prices
-) the premiums paid out to farmer co-ops by commodity, by country
-) the amount, by commodity, by country, of the certification and re-certification fees collected from farmer co-ops
-) the number of member co-ops, by commodity, by country
-) the fees collected from companies paying to license various Fair Trade logos
-) operating budgets, including salaries of all senior executives
-) the number of field personnel directly involved in certification along with detailed calendars and itineraries of time spent on certification activities including hard costs (e.g., salaries and travel expenses)

In other words, is Fair Trade as a business run well? As of the 2008-2009 Annual Report there were 746 producer organizations across all commodities in 59 countries with over 2700 companies making over 6000 licensed products worldwide.Is it cost-effective at delivering on its goals? Does the rhetoric of Fair Trade match the reality? Is Fair Trade effective? The total amount of Fair Trade cocoa produced in 2008 was 10,299 tonnes from a total harvest of over 3,000,000 - or about one-third of one percent.

If Fair Trade works so well, how come more cacao farmers aren't certified?

The simple answer is - they can't afford it.

updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/11/15 14:52:00
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/29/10 22:56:32
527 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


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You know.... I had to chuckle when I read your post Wendy. In the past couple of years I've had a lot of people tell me I should write a book about my career path and how I've arrived at where I am today. I might even do that some day!Until then, I'll keep playing with my daughter, playing with chocolate, playing on the computer, and playing in the mountains.Life's too short to "work".Cheers everyone!
Wendy Buckner
@Wendy Buckner
04/29/10 22:37:37
35 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


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What a great concept. I just found this stream and have really enjoyed your comments. Great video you posted as well. I am starting to understand your business now. Truffles made per order while the customer waits...with chocolate you made...that is incredibly fresh and you are the first I have seen do this. You need to write a book...or have you?
dale montondo
@dale montondo
04/29/10 15:26:21
10 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


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Brad. I always like reading your posts. On this forum and others. I've learned a lot in 3 yrs from you and other countless people as well as Ecole, and will be getting my first inspection on my own shop tomorrow. As far as the espresso goes it it's amazing, for coffee that is, lol. I don't drink coffee and I really enjoy your recipe. It couldn't come at a better time because I just booked a wedding and was asked to do a coffee filled confection. The ganache is the best I've ever made, lite, smooth, and a shine. The sweet/ espresso is balenced. My wife delivered the samples to the client today and she said it was a hit. Thank you so much.
Dave Elliott
@Dave Elliott
04/27/10 09:10:17
17 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


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I feel it's important to add that I appreciate the diversity of honest opinions, but that there is absolutely no room on a forum of this nature - or in any community, for that matter - for personal attacks.
Shelley Fields
@Shelley Fields
04/26/10 00:50:22
9 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


Posted in: Opinion

Thank you everyone, for giving your perspectives. It is very helpful and gives me much to think about!
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/08/10 13:17:01
527 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


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1. How did you get into chocolate and when did you actually start your business?I got into the industry because I was a disgruntled chocolate customer. It seems that every chocolate shop I walked into had their product on display, but didnt give me the ability to select what I wanted for my purchase. Everybody had the Henry Ford mentality when it came to selling: Well sell you any color of car you want, as long as its black..When I tried seeking out a chocolate company that would let me buy what I wanted, I then found out that nobody actually made the chocolate I thought they made. It was then I decided to make my own.2. What was your original strategy?My original strategy was simply home recreation. I found John Nancis site, purchased some equipment and beans and for the next several months had fun making chocolate. I had a number of other business ventures on the go at that time, so this was my life balance activity.3. How did that change and why?A number of things came together. I sold my furniture manufacturing firm. However before I did that, I used my fabrication shop in my furniture company to designed a better home melangeur similar to the one that Mr. Nanci sells on Chocolate Alchemys website. I also began making contact with some people very high up in the world chocolate scene. At this point however I was still treating my passion for chocolate as recreation. I have a book called El Toppo Secreto, which has recorded in it all of my recipes and versions of each both for the chocolate my company makes today, and also for the confections Ive tried. Some were successes while others have big red NFG written over them4. What did you think would happen vs what really happened?As a software architect (that was my primary career), I had hoped to design The Home Chocolate Machine an iteration of a Santha lentil grinder except all computerized with a number of features that are needed to properly conche chocolate. However, it was going to cost me somewhere in the range of $3 million to get the machine finished, CSA and UL approved and into stores. I didnt want to spend or raise that kind of money, so I looked at other options. I assembled a team of advisors colleagues with specialties in various areas and bribed them with all the chocolate they could eat for some candid advice. We sat down over a couple of evenings, drank wine, ate chocolate and I listened to what they had to say.In the end it was decided by all, that I would shelve the home chocolate machine idea for the time being, and focus on opening a business that had some incredibly unique offerings, unheard of in the chocolate industry.5. What is your vision?The vision for Choklat is very simple: Use only the finest and freshest ingredients that money can buy. Make ALL of our chocolate in house. Celebrate the flavour of the cocoa bean, and make a dark eating chocolate from each variety that we import. Let people taste the difference that the cocoa bean plays in the flavour of chocolate. Focus on truffles, and make them fresh only when the customer orders them. Find out what people want, design recipes that the like, and then give it to them.6. Who is your target market?Our target market is an affluent adult clientele. We never offer novelty products, such as molded bunnies, or hearts, or Santas, or anything like that. We focus on two things only: flavour and service. We do offer a very limited selection of truffle toppings for kids, but other than a couple, everything is the best that we can get, and if we cant get it, we make it in house (such as our graham wafers and marshmallows).7. How did you figure out how much money you needed to start?Lots of planning and research about a year of it, 8 hours per day. Mid Six Figures.8. Was it enough?Yes. More than enough.9. How long did you think it would carry you? Did it? If not, why?The money carried the business until the day we opened our doors. I actually saved money by planning all my purchases and vendors prior to approaching them. Instead of going back multiple times, I put together equipment lists for each vendor and negotiated discounts from all of them. This approach saved me approximately $30,000.10. How long before you were in the black?We had a soft opening on August 8, 2008, and generated profit day one. All equipment and inventory was paid for in cash in advance, so the company carried no debt, other than to me directly.11. What was the best advice you received regarding your business?The best advice? LOL, Ive already been attacked in a very nasty fashion on this forum for giving it. All I can do is reiterate that if you are independently wealthy and dont care if you sell a single confection, make whatever the heck recipes you want and proudly flog them. However if you NEED to make money and CHOOSE to make chocolate confections to pay the bills, you are at some point going to have to compromise and make something which caters to tastes that differ from yours. If people dont like what you sell, they wont pay for it at any price. Thats just the simple, harsh reality of life.12. What are the most important lessons you learned about the business side?Lesson 1: Nothing takes the place of sound, pragmatic, planning and research. When planning a business, set your emotions aside and be realistic.Lesson 2: Business is about making money. Period. The bills HAVE to get paid.Lesson 3: When it comes to your business, put a dollar value on your time, then closely manage and track that time. For example: When I was working in the software industry, I billed my time at $100 per hour. I needed a fence made, and paid someone $15 per hour to make my fence, while I sat in the house and wrote software. My father thought I was crazy, having someone build my fence while I was at home. I had to explain to him the economies of making $85 per hour while my fence was being built for free. YOUR TIME IS WORTH MONEY. If you dont think it is, try and find someone to do your job for free.13. How big a price did you have to pay to learn that?In 2001 I took an Internet company public on the NASDAQ stock exchange, and because of bad hiring practices, and bad management decisions, I lost everything and had to start over in 2003. My losses were in excess of $15 Million dollars. When I moved back to Calgary, I had $150 in my pocket to start over with. The last 7 years has been a very hard road and a lot of hard work, but Im back to having fun with life. Some of that fun even makes me money! By this loss, I learned that life is too short to burn the candle at both ends in pursuit of that big pot of gold the big win. Plan a bunch of small wins, and have fun building on those.14. Knowing what you know now, what would you do differently?I will never give control of any of my companies to anyone, unless it is to sell it to them lock stock and barrel. At that point Ive got my money, and they can drive it into the toilet for all I care. Until that time however I will always have the final say in all business decisions related to that venture.15. What do you like the most and the least about your job/business? Was that a surprise?What I like the most: first of all, I dont look at my job/business as a business. I take a whole life approach. I wake up every morning with the intent to have fun and make the most of the day. I understand however that at some point in time I have to make some money, so I figure out how to have fun and make money at the same time. Case in point: I have fun making chocolate, and make money doing it. I have fun racing motorcycles, and make a modest amount of money doing that too (it pays for itself). I also have fun snowmobiling and skiing, but those dont make me money. I also have fun with my daughter. In a nutshell, I look at life with the understanding of balance. My daily focus is to have fun. Some of my activities pay the bills, and other activities are simply fun.What I like least: Nothing. If I dont like something I simply dont do it.
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/06/10 02:44:49
527 posts

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If you'd like to learn a little more, here's a good video and links to others about my business. The video is at the bottom of the article, and starts after a 24 second commercial. http://www.calgarybeacon.com/2009/10/video-inglewoods-choklat-an-ex...
Hanna Frederick
@Hanna Frederick
03/05/10 23:28:27
4 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


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Well written Robert! I went to chocolate making after burned out from the corporate world at a mature age. Guess what: I am extremely happy! 7 years part time, and 3 years full time - you start wiser. My goal is not getting rich, but recharge by giving entertainment and a fantastic product to appreciative people.I like this the most: "A spectacular product marketed averagely or worse will fail in the face of a garbage product marketed averagely or better." Just moved to Melbourne Australia after a big success in sleepy New Zealand , so I am starting again. This time in with a Fitzroy (like Tribeca in Manhattan) shop. My first shop. Yes I need my own saved money. Yes I have to work day and night again. But I intend to have "A spectacular product marketed better." Which means success to achieve a balanced goal: happiness doing artistic high quality trendsetting truffles. Watch the space for Mamor Chocolates.Good luck to start-ups. I am happy to talk to anyone - see my website. (Right now I am moving into my new abode and shop!) Hanna
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/05/10 22:04:19
527 posts

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Wow. Such rudeness.The original question was to incite advice from people to help those who are starting out in the business.I gave advice, and it's VERY GOOD advice.I love chocolate. I love making chocolate. I love the fact that people rant and rave about how good my company's products are. Just google "Choklat" and "Calgary" and you'll find hundreds of unsolicited posts of people saying it's the best they've ever had - even better than one of the most prolific chocolatiers in Canada - Bernard Callebaut. It's a feat to be proud of. In fact my little shop has been named as one of the top 25 food destinations in Calgary (a city of over a million people) for 2009, whereas Mr. Callebaut's was not.I reiterate that business is about finding out what people like, and then giving it to them.I also believe that life is about balance. As long as a person understands where the line is drawn, there's nothing wrong with making money. I've burned the candle at both ends on businesses, and have looked back at the 5 years that have passed, and asked myself: "Where did it go?"I take a very different approach now: I design the recipes. I test the recipes. I get customer acceptance (or rejection) from them. Then, I have my staff make them for the customer, and go practice a life balance exercise by playing in the mountains.A person doesn't have to make every single truffle to be equally proud of what they've created.Remember: THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE SUCCESSFULLY SELL THEIR WARES.
Ilana
@Ilana
03/04/10 02:36:28
97 posts

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"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert EinsteinPerhaps much depends on what one considers "a satisfying and enjoyable life". And, of course, if making lots of money is the focus, why, there really are many ways of doing that..."If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." Albert Einstein
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/03/10 23:11:02
527 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


Posted in: Opinion

In my opinion and experience (and I have a LOT of experience), if you are making confections for your own consumption I agree. However if you're making confections to earn a living, this is the absolute worst piece of advice a person could give and/or receive.Business is about money. Period. Money is made by finding out what people like, will buy, and what price they will pay, and then giving them what they like, will buy, and at the price they feel comfortable paying.Case in point: Personally, I hate coffee and anything related to it, but my customers LOVE our espresso truffle centers, made with a recipe I designed and tested on focus groups. This month my staff will most likely sell several thousand espresso truffles, and at $1.99 each I'll happily call myself a whore.Why?Because while other chocolatiers are barely scraping by, or struggling to sell their wares at every rinky dink farmer's market in their area (no offence to Debby. I added this post and then read hers below. She has some good advice!), I'll be skiing, snowmobiling, hiking, and generally enjoying life. And then when I'm done playing, I'll have enough money from whoring my espresso truffles, to pay a staff to do the grunt work of my business for me, blow on a $160 15ml bottle of Rose Atto to experiment with Turkish delight, and then maybe I'll impulse buy $1,000 worth of cool silicone molds to experiment with too, just because I can.Yup. I'm a whore, but I'm a happy whore, and I still get to make whatever I want, whenever I want, and let my staff clean up the mess!Cheers.Choklat's Happy 'Ho!
Debby
@Debby
03/03/10 14:32:44
10 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


Posted in: Opinion

1. For me, it all began with the bees. My husband and I decided to become beekeepers. I ran into a problem feeding the bees. Standard operating procedure is to feed them sugar water. Problem is if bees aren't careful, they will drown. I started experimenting with making a solid honey and sugar based candy I could insert into the hive. I made hard candy. And while the bees couldn't benefit from it, it tasted good. I handed out pieces to people, just to get rid of it. My brother stated, "This is really good, it needs a stick." Thus I began to make honey lollipops and selling them at the local farmer's market. After a few weeks, I got the comment, "You know, if you were selling chocolate, I'd buy it." Thus, my fate was sealed. LOL I began experimenting with truffles and found out I love making candy. I still make the lollies as well as my chocolates. I've added pralines and caramels. There is more in the works. I made an official business out of it 2 years ago. Fortunately, I can, in my neck of the woods, do this from my home. I also am unusual in that I am supported by my husband while I make a go of this.2. My original strategy was to sell at the farmer's market and local craft fairs. The response has been positive, but it's certainly not enough to make a living at it.3. I am finding that selling that way is not enough. I am currently looking into what it would take to do the business online as well. The funding required for a brick and mortar retail location is beyond my budget. Since my initial investment, I am strictly a bootstrap operation.4. Other than the dearth of craft shows for 6 months out of the year, things have gone pretty much as expected. I have, during the time when I have no external venue available, taken to going "door to door" at local businesses with my brochure and order forms. I am providing a service. They order candy for the holiday (Valentine's, Easter, Mother's Day). I make it and deliver it to their place of employment. It saves them time and I get sales. This works particularly well for Valentine's Day because then they can bring something special home for their significant other without having to go out and shop.5. My vision is a sweet shop on Main Street, 2 doors down from the theater. It would take pages to describe the whole thing. I'll just leave it at a basic level for here.6. My target market is, right now, the locals. Tho' as mentioned, I'd like to expand beyond my local area. I have regular customers who want certain items that I sell. They don't want to try anything new, they just want their coffee truffles, or their honey lollipops, or their chocolate caramels.7. Here is where I failed Business 101. I didn't figure, I guessed.8. No, it wasn't enough, but again, that was my fault because I guessed.9. While it was a bit slim, with chocolate arriving only 2 days before a craft show, and having to share booth space at craft shows, I managed. Since I only guessed, it's not really surprising.10. I'm not in the black because I can't support myself with the business yet. On paper, I'm in the black because more money is coming in than going out. But, that doesn't tell the whole story.11. Don't give your product away. Really, even to family and friends. They'll steal you blind. They come to expect that you will provide them with your product and then you'll find yourself doing them a favor and providing truffles for 200 wedding guests at their best friends wedding, free of charge. Don't do it. The only person who gets my candy without charge is my husband. Everyone wants to be taste tester. What they really want is free candy. As Robert posted, you have to please yourself, not the masses.12. See the above post. I ignored it to my detriment. I lost a lot of money letting people taste before buying.13. Fortunately, I figured this out fairly quickly and only lost a few hundred dollars worth of product rather than thousands.14. I'd have started this years ago. Making candy is so much fun. I realize it's not about art, it's about business, but I just have fun making the stuff. I also enjoy selling the candy.15. What I like the most, is, as I said, actually making the product. The house smells of caramel or chocolate or honey. I have a smile on my face and life is good. The least favorite part is keeping track of everything. And I mean everything. The bookkeeping is a chore. It's not just money in and money out. It's figuring out how much it costs to make a given batch of candy, ingredients, time, utilities. Then there is figuring taxes and as a business collecting sales tax for the state. All this has to be figured out. I always prided myself on being good with math. But, I find the whole thing tedious. And yes, that was a surprise.
Ilana
@Ilana
03/03/10 06:14:47
97 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


Posted in: Opinion

"Make products to your exact taste... if someone else doesn't like it, they are not your customer, failing to adhere to this and you're just a whore, the industry would be better served without you. If you love it, really love it, it is not possible for it to be a bad product, no matter what anyone else thinks."I really but really like this paragraph.
Shelley Fields
@Shelley Fields
03/02/10 22:47:16
9 posts

Working Chocolatier Q&A


Posted in: Opinion

If anyone that is currently in business would be so kind as to answerthese questions, your answers would be so helpful to those of usstarting out! No dollar amounts are needed unless you are comfortablesharing, as they can be so helpful!

1. How did you get into chocolate and when did you actually start your business?
2. What was your original strategy?
3. How did that change and why?
4. What did you think would happen vs what really happened?
5. What is your vision?
6. Who is your target market?
7. How did you figure out how much money you needed to start?
8. Was it enough?
9. How long did you think it would carry you? Did it? If not, why?
10. How long before you were in the black?
11. What was the best advice you received regarding your business?
12. What are the most important lessons you learned about the business side?
13. How big a price did you have to pay to learn that?
14. Knowing what you know now, what would you do differently?
15. What do you like the most and the least about your job/business? Was that a surprise?
updated by @Shelley Fields: 06/25/15 18:00:16
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
03/02/10 14:18:05
98 posts

Supporting cocoa buyers and seller, investing in the future


Posted in: Opinion

This is how I support cocoa growers/buyers and sellers and thought you may like this route?
I support entrepreneurs by investing in there business temporarily by helping to provide them with capital for investment. In my opinion it's a great way to sustain and create new ventures in cocoa.

If you are not familiar with it please check it out - http://www.kiva.org Look under fundraising and then food. I am in no way affiliated with this organization, I just think it's good.

updated by @Dirke Botsford: 04/20/15 15:32:27
Jamie Blache
@Jamie Blache
04/13/10 15:00:10
2 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

If you make it to Ann Arbor, you must make a stop to Zingerman's Deli. They have a great Chocolate Lady, Duff, who can show you their outstanding retail department. They don't make their own candy but do make their own gelato and baked goods. I don't remember the company's name, but Duff carries a "truffle of the month" from a local candy maker. Ask her for the details and she can lead you to all the local foodie sights worth seeing.
Jamie Blache
@Jamie Blache
04/13/10 14:52:49
2 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Love, love, love Recchiutti! I met Michael at one of the NY Chocolate Shows and he was so nice and down to earth too.
Denise Fontaine Kelce
@Denise Fontaine Kelce
04/09/10 14:02:50
1 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi Clay,I know you said Portland ,but Seattle isn't that far...I am a Chocolatier with Dove Chocolate Discoveries (TM) in the Seattle area which is great chocolate ,but there are some amazing chocolate makers here that are worth the trip like...Seattle ChocolatesRocky Mountain Chocolate FactoryOh ChocolateTheo Chocolate IncFran's ChocolatesChocolati Cafe WallingfordChocolopolisDilettante ChocolateWe also have the International Chocolate Salon on July,11th 2010 where you could meet and eat from them all.Denise
Danielle
@Danielle
04/01/10 13:31:56
11 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Sure Clay, sorry...kind of an extensive list.San Francisco:Cocoa BellaRecchiuttiScharffenberger/Joseph Schmidt (Pier 1)Tcho (Pier 17...walked by...wasn't open)Candy Shop on Pier 39 near the back - can't remember the name...mainly imported candy, but had homemade candy apples)GhiradelliChristopher ElbowFog City NewsChicago and LA - I will have to post later. I need to refer to my tour book.Danielle
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/01/10 08:42:01
1,696 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Danielle:The whole idea of a discussion like this is that this information is public and shared. So I wouldappreciate your sharing it and not asking people to e-mail/message you and keep it private.:: Clay
Danielle
@Danielle
03/31/10 21:56:48
11 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi Gary-I have created my own chocolate tours of San Francisco, Los Angeles and Chicago....depending upon how long you have and whether you are renting a car, I can definately suggest some locations for you to visit. Email me if you would like and I can help you with San Francisco (I made it to 7 stores in 4 hours walking and taking the bus). I can also suggest other confectionery stops as well if you are seeking them.
Valerie
@Valerie
03/18/10 18:50:41
29 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I'd be happy to speak with you. You can reach me at vconyngham@gmail.com.
Scott
@Scott
03/18/10 13:10:01
44 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Some Portland chocolate highlights --- Chocosphere (the dominant mail order lifeline for serious consumers nationwide).- Cacao (for quality of the selection and knowledge level of the staff, the best chocolate retailer I've seen).- Sahagun Handmade Chocolates (Elizabeth Montes, chocolatier).- Alma Chocolate (Sarah Hart, chocolatier).- Xocolatl de David (David Briggs, chocolatier; see his site for where his products are available; worth calling ahead to ensure a good selection).
Gary Shieh
@Gary Shieh
03/17/10 21:13:00
7 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi,I am in Boston now. Thanks for the suggestions. If there is a chance I hope to talk to you personally. I have sent you friend request. Maybe we can chat a bit more. Thanks.
Mark J Sciscenti
@Mark J Sciscenti
03/07/10 10:38:05
33 posts

Chocolate tours in several cities


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

In Portland OR, go to Alma Chocolates. Sarah Hart is the owner. She can be contacted via this website or hers.
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