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Jim Dutton
@Jim Dutton
05/13/14 20:18:46
76 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks for the reply, even though the news was not quite what I hoped for. When you speak of "adding a little (0.05-0.1%) more lecithin" I assume you mean a little more than is already in the chocolate. That's what I was concerned about--especially white chocolate always seems to have lecithin in it.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/13/14 19:59:36
754 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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Once your chocolate has adsorbed ambient moisture, it's very difficult to get it to give it up. You may be able to compensate by adding a little (0.05-0.1%) more lecithin to get it to bind up the moisture, but that only works to a certain extent. Prevention by keeping the RH low is the best medicine to cure this problem. If you can't prevent it, you may be able to make it better by adding lecithin. If that doesn't work, a high shear high temperature mixer can be effective to a smaller degree, but i'd keep that the last resort option, and you risk other damage via this method if your temperatures are too high.

Jim Dutton
@Jim Dutton
05/13/14 18:00:18
76 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I am adding a question to this older topic as it is more or less the subject of my latest chocolate issue.

I have been using Felchlin Maracaibo for dark and Valrhona Opalys for white. During the winter both behaved fine. For my Easter 2014 batch of chocolates, I was able to prepare several molds with the Opalys when it thickened up to the extent that there was barely any space for the ganache in some of the cavities. I raised the heat several degrees, and that did not appreciably help. This job was done at the beginning of April, not particularly warm or humid. A few days ago, the same thing happened with Maracaibo, and raising the temp even above 90F did not help. It wasn't quite as thick as the Valrhona had been, but for a dark chocolate, it was really viscous. This time we were experiencing some warm, humid weather--though I was running the AC to try to prevent the thickening.

On another forum a chocolatier from Richmond, Va. (about 100 miles from me) wrote that she had experienced a similar thickening of chocolate on the same day and attributed it to the humidity. She mentioned adding some cocoa butter.

So today, aware of the possibility of humidity, I turned up the AC full blast. I added cocoa butter to the Opalys, and it was perfect. My recently ordered hygrometer arrived, and revealed the humidity to be around 20-25%. So I'm thinking I may have found the issue. The problem is that it is not consistent (the first thickening of Opalys was not on a humid day). Tomorrow I'll be using Maracaibo and will try the same routine to see if it helps. I won't add cocoa butter, however, unless it turns out to be necessary.

My question relates to the humidity issue: Assuming that is the problem, is the chocolate I used on the humid days permanently "humidified" or will it return to its previous state once it is out of the humidity? I don't want to have to add cocoa butter to the chocolate from now on, nor do I wish to discard the chocolate.

Incidentally I was tempering the chocolate in a Chocovision machine. Someone at that company recommended raising the working temp for the Valrhona to the 90F range, but that seemed a bit high to me (Valrhona recommends 84F).

Thanks for any guidance.

Nat
@Nat
12/08/10 19:53:12
75 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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it could also be something as simple as the humidity where you are. Do you know what it is? If you're in Iceland it should be fairly dry in the cold winter, but I'm not sure how a lot of snow might affect that.If it's higher than 50% RH, try to install a dehumidifier or AC unit set on a comfortable temp which should also dehumidify.
Mark Heim
@Mark Heim
12/08/10 19:40:36
101 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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The final temperature for tempering a chocolate is the point where the unstable crystals would be melted out. Best for the betas you want. But as mentioned by Gap, they continue to multiply. Taking you far above the 2-3% target of crystal fraction. Reheating is tricky and not a long term solution, just a quick fix for that last mold or two.Easier to temper just what you need, then add chocolate that was just taken down from 110-120F full melt to a couple degrees above temper and add it to the tempered paste to thin it back out. You need to find the point where you match your usage rate to the amount of chocolate always tempered, to the rate you can add new paste. With some practice you get a rhythm down that works. But equipment the wrong size put limits on.If you're just looking for a little more time each tempered batch, when you're tempered, hold a degree or two high with no mixing, just an occasional good stir to make sure temp is even throughout the mass. Mixing produces shear, promoting crystallization.
Gap
@Gap
12/08/10 14:48:15
182 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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I'm not a scientist so someone might jump in here and correct me, but my uderstanding is this: chocolate can form many types of crystals as it sets. Only one sort is correct for "tempered" chocolate. For chocolate to be tempered, I think you only need about 2-3% of the chocolate mass to have the correct crystal structure. The issue is, these crystals grow/multiply and cause "untempered" crystals to transform into tempered crystals so that the 2-3% of tempered crystals will grow to a larger number. This is what occurs when the chocolate becomes over-crystalised.When you hit it with your heat gun, you melt some of the tempered crystals out, but they can still re-temper again over time if conditions are right.
Hilmir Kolbeins
@Hilmir Kolbeins
12/08/10 06:16:34
28 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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I was working with my chocolate and today it got thick after I prepared 8 pranlines mold. I blasted it with the heatgun and it was still thick when it reached 37celsius.

When a batch of chocolate that has overtempred is it at risk of overtemper again after reheating.

updated by @Hilmir Kolbeins: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Karlien
@Karlien
12/07/10 05:42:01
9 posts

Roasting machine advise


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Dear all,

We are looking at roasters at the moment and suppliers seem to differ on their opinions on roasting machines.

The Ambex roaster YM-15 says it can with small adjustments roast cocoa beans. Some other companies seems to think that this is not possible with the issue of direct and indirect heating. And then also the issue of gas and hot air. Have someone used the Ambex for cocoa bean roasting before? If so did it work or is the best option to get a roaster that is solely for cocoa the best option?

I would appreciate some comments on this as we need to order a roaster soon.

Thanks for all the help!

Karlien

updated by @Karlien: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Cal Orey
@Cal Orey
12/02/10 12:17:32
1 posts

'Tis the Season for Healing Powers of Chocolate (and Chocolate) Contest


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Craving "healthy" chocolate? Want to know more about the healing powers of chocolate? Enter the contest (running all December) and be a winner!

http://www.foodieblogroll.com/contests/comment-to-win-healing-power-of-chocolate-book-and-6-pieces-of-chocolate


updated by @Cal Orey: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Jackie Jones
@Jackie Jones
04/07/11 07:05:16
15 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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In NC you have to purchase precooked bacon or go to a restaurant facility to cook the bacon.
Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
04/06/11 21:05:44
194 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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In Utah, we can't add bacon at any level without becoming a meat processing facility.
Jackie Jones
@Jackie Jones
04/06/11 11:31:59
15 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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If the bacon is cooked & dipped within 24 hrs of delivery, I would think I would be safe. However, there is the question of how quick the folks that receive the gift would eat the bacon truffle. So maybe I need to shy away unless it is for a party and prepared just before the event.
Jackie Jones
@Jackie Jones
04/06/11 11:26:35
15 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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I have always cooked the bacon crisp and prepared within 24 hrs of taking to an event.

Now someone wants in their boxes of Easter Truffles. It would be eaten within a week.

Safe?

Erin
@Erin
12/13/10 19:03:16
30 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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The Food Channel show Unwrapped had a 2008 show titled "Candy Bar Bonanza" that talks in more detail about the Vosage bacon in chocolate process. I know that it showed again on 10/25/10 at 7:30PM. Not certain if you could Hulu it or find it some other way. Hope it helps.

Warren Laine-Naida
@Warren Laine-Naida
12/04/10 19:44:53
3 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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I have cooked the bacon to leech out the fat and then blended that into a ganache instead of the butter. It is a good taste!
MelodyB
@MelodyB
12/01/10 20:57:09
8 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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HI,I have been experimenting with this as well. First, I tried baking the bacon and then dipping it chocolate...so good. Then I tried putting inside a mold with a ganache type filling, again decadence. Since I make on demand there really hasn't been any problems but would love to hear how long a product like this is good for.~Melody
Sebastian
@Sebastian
12/01/10 18:43:29
754 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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I hope your food science didn't tell you go to to an Aw of less than 8 - i think they meant 0.88-)Also, it's worth noting that, in the US, the FDA wants to become involved - or treat you as a meat facility - if you include meat (including bacon) in your products at a 2% or > level. Vosages Haut is having to deal with this presently.
Bud Stockwell
@Bud Stockwell
12/01/10 16:46:26
18 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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I read the discussion under shelf life and it touched on bacon and food safety. I wondered if anyone is making chocolate with bacon and what techniques to use. The food science dept. at a local university said I need to get the water activity to under 8 but I don't have a hydrometer to measure water activity. I was planning on caramelizing the chocolate first which seems like it should cook out any water but I am feeling cautious. I did like the suggestion to get it to taste and feel like I want it to and have a very short period on the shelf. Still ideas from those experienced with bacon would be helpful. Thanks
Bud

updated by @Bud Stockwell: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Jcandy
@Jcandy
12/09/10 01:14:51
12 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


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I really dont know about this. You can use the internet to find here many places in Africa who use these machines.
Anthony Lange
@Anthony Lange
12/03/10 08:24:07
34 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


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http://www.cacaocucina.com/home should help. I read somewhere that they are only to please to demo their equipment..... and they are in florida. There you go. T
Karlien
@Karlien
12/03/10 08:15:18
9 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


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That would be great, Thank you Duffy.Where exactly is it located? Im looking at travelling options.Thanks again.Karlien
Karlien
@Karlien
12/03/10 00:41:32
9 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


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Hi Tony,My apologies for not being clear in the previous post.We will be the only doing it on the scale that we are setting up as and the only one doing it organically. As far as my research shows there might be others doing it out of their kitchen and on a smaller scale.We are also a social company so all profits go back into social development etc.Maybe not the first or the only doing it, but the first and only of our kind :)
Anthony Lange
@Anthony Lange
12/02/10 09:13:48
34 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


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Hi Karlien, Great to have yo on board. Tony
Duffy Sheardown
@Duffy Sheardown
12/01/10 16:16:30
55 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


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Hi Karlien,You could probably call in and see my small bean-to-bar facility in England. It's 4 hours by train from London though, on the Lincolnshire coast.Duffy www.redstarchocolate.co.uk
Karlien
@Karlien
12/01/10 01:42:18
9 posts

Bean to bar in Africa


Posted in: Chocolate Education

Good day all ,

We are in the process of putting together the only bean to bar processing in South Africa.

I will be traveling to Scotland, London and Florida in January 2011 between the 9th and the 20th and would like to know if anybody would be willing for me to come and visit your chocolate making facilities and spend a day with you to see how its done!

I will be going on a roasting course with Ambex roasting company in Clearwater FL. They say that these coffee roasting machines are able to roast cocoa and nuts with some adjustments to the machine. Has anybody ever used these machines?

Looking forward to hearing and meeting with you

Karlien

updated by @Karlien: 04/21/15 05:57:23
Jennifer5
@Jennifer5
10/12/13 11:33:54
5 posts

Chocolate Education


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Could you guys link the sites for the ICE and CIA programs, I can't seem to find either. I am interested in a intense several day program as I would be traveling from North Carolina to attend.
Rachel Gordon
@Rachel Gordon
02/27/11 20:44:27
1 posts

Chocolate Education


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Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone has any information about or has taken the Chocolate and Confections continuing ed program offered by the CIA. I've seen a lot of reviews about Ecole Chocolat's online program, programs at FPS, ICE, etc. but I can't seem to find any reviews about the chocolate class at the CIA. I have been making chocolates for a few years now (both molded and dipped) but have been teaching myself out of books, and I thought it might be time for some formal instruction. I have really enjoyed Peter Greweling's Chocolate and Confections book because of the level of detail it offers, which is the reason I'm thinking of taking the CIA 5-day course.

Thanks,

Rachel

Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
02/23/11 09:26:32
103 posts

Chocolate Education


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Nancy,

I am also in New York City.

As for internship people usually like to work with people who do not live in the same geographical region - after all, you will become competition.

I did exactly the same thing you did: I took the 2 chocolate technique from ICE, followed by the Ecole Chocolat online training.

Once you are done with the Ecole Chocolat training you can apply for internship with chocolatiers from the US and one from Canada. I have not done the internship yet, but I am considering it more and more.

You should keep looking for opportunities in NYC, but just consider that you could go someplace else you've never been before, work at a place that is used to interns, and do not have to worry about the ethics of learning from someone who will be your competition in the near future.

Best of luck!

Andre Costa

DaCosta Chocolates

Nancy Sobel Butcher
@Nancy Sobel Butcher
02/23/11 06:27:13
6 posts

Chocolate Education


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Thank you for your suggestions Ruben!
Nancy Sobel Butcher
@Nancy Sobel Butcher
02/23/11 06:26:22
6 posts

Chocolate Education


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Michael,

Thank you for your offer to call you! I have known about JoMart for quite a while (my family were Sheepshead Bay natives for many years).

Thank You,

Nancy

ruben
@ruben
02/21/11 17:13:28
3 posts

Chocolate Education


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yeah, I know what you mean about the partner, you could end up with somebody who is just plain wasting time or somebody who is really into it,it's the luck of the draw. I know about chef Drobbin through my former chef, and she seems to have a good rep in Brooklyn, we'll see, but it'll have to wait since the class was cancelled (damm!) As for experience, I think you should look around in Brooklyn, plenty of things are happening there, check up the green markets throughout the city,justgoand chat with them and plain tell them that you wish to help out in exchange for hands-on experience, I was at a tour of the Mast brothers factory last week and a girl just plain asked for a chance at the end of the tour, maybe you can do the same, hope you find something.
Michael3
@Michael3
02/21/11 15:43:59
2 posts

Chocolate Education


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Hi Nancy,

Welcome to the (truly) wonderful world of chocolate. My family has been manufacturing chocolates in Brooklyn since 1946. I have been teaching chocolate workshops for the past 10 years. Feel free to call me and chat about your future. You can check us out first.

JoMartChocolates.com

718-375-1277

Good Luck,

Michael

Nancy Sobel Butcher
@Nancy Sobel Butcher
02/19/11 05:52:35
6 posts

Chocolate Education


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Ruben,

The class was pretty amazing and I think well worth it. Faith Drobbin was an excellent instructor...she knows her stuff! There were people of all levels in the class from the novice to some who were a bit more experienced. I fell into the latter group. We partnered up (beware of some wacky people...I was lucky enough to have a wonderful parnter) for the week. Day 1 focused on tempering chocolate (seeding method) and then we made clusters, bark, and dipped fruit. Day 2 we did truffles in different flavor combinations and enrobed them. Chef Faith's chai spiced truffles were very good! Day 3 focused on candymaking and we made chocolate caramels, a buttercrunch, chocolate covered candied almonds, and torrone. Day 4 we made solid molded chocolates and filled molded chocolates with a variety of fillings. Day 5 we did hand dipped truffles that we framed first and then dipped (my favorite type) and then enrobed.

The class was really good and top notch ingredients were used. I'd love to find a chocolatier that I could apprentice with in Long Island (not having any luck) or NYC. You will love the course if you take it!

Nancy

ruben
@ruben
02/18/11 17:07:44
3 posts

Chocolate Education


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Hey Nancy, how did that ICE course turned out? there's another three day course next week and I'm planning to attend, were you happy with the course you took?
Jcandy
@Jcandy
12/09/10 01:05:07
12 posts

Chocolate Education


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Using chocolate as a framework, students can: discover the botanical source of chocolate, Theobroma cacao, a small tree of the tropical rainforest interior; explore the ecological connections between people, plants, insects, and other animals within the trees habitat; investigate cultural interactions and conservation concerns resulting from the cultivation, processing, exchange, and consumption of cacao and other foods; and recognize the changing economic and cultural roles of cacao and chocolate in local and global economies over time.
Nancy Sobel Butcher
@Nancy Sobel Butcher
12/05/10 18:55:00
6 posts

Chocolate Education


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Ruben,That's so exciting you are doing your baking certificate! Thank you for for re-confirming that I made a good choice in taking this...I would've liked to have met you at the course. Happy Holidays!
ruben
@ruben
12/03/10 22:02:55
3 posts

Chocolate Education


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I'm presently doing a baking certificate at the culinary institute at Hudson County community college but I did some research before opting for hccc and found out that ICE was a very good school according to my chef and the people I asked about, I had also recently asked a couple of my instructors about this specific class and they all agreed that it was a great way to start, specially because of Chef Faith Drobbin, apparently she's very well know as a chocolate designer, too bad there were no open spaces when I tried to register
Nancy Sobel Butcher
@Nancy Sobel Butcher
12/01/10 05:26:05
6 posts

Chocolate Education


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Patti,Thank you for your in depth and helpful reply!Nancy
Patti Humbert
@Patti Humbert
11/30/10 16:00:31
18 posts

Chocolate Education


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I cannot speak to the quality of the ICES program, but I can tell you about Ecole Chocolat. I just turned in my final assignment for the professional chocolatier class this past Friday. I am sad that it is over already! I was a bit skeptical about learning about chocolate online, but I have definitely gotten my money's worth! It is an intensive course (I printed out the reading material for future reference and filled 2- 3" binders. You don't just learn the technical aspects (tempering, molding) but also chocolate history, researching different business models and learning about equipment and supplies needed. I already do a bit of baking for some caterers and had dreamed about having my own little shop one day. Taking this course forced me to look at the business aspects and plan instead of just dream. I highly recommend the course!I would also recommend lurking on The Chocolate Life. If you read through forums and blogs, there is a treasure trove of information here. I have learned SO much from all these people who are so generous to share their knowledge. I hope that helps!
Nancy Sobel Butcher
@Nancy Sobel Butcher
11/29/10 06:11:05
6 posts

Chocolate Education


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Hello Everyone!

I am Nancy Sobel from Long Island, NY. I have been interested in chocolate since I was a child and have been making chocolates etc. for presents for many years now. I am starting to think of it as a happier career choice. I have enrolled in the chocolate intensive at ICE in NYC. Has anyone here taken the course? I am thinking of following it up with the Ecole Chocolat.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Warmly,
Nancy Sobel

updated by @Nancy Sobel Butcher: 04/10/15 09:44:01
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