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Wow! 1950 euro!! i paid 600 by FBM.... and it look the same.

I use this injection system (we call it shower) to make our 100gr bars, so it makes 3 bars in one shot.

as soon we can effort a tunnel we can use "the shower" to make callets automatically.

Anyway, going back to the original point of discussion from Kat:

see how much production you do and forecast what could be the next step and buy what you need towards that forecast. Otherwise you will spend $$$ and soon you will be short in production again. That's why we bought the "shower" with our tempering machine, we believe that soon will pay off.....

Ciao

Nino

just giving an alternative idea not saying Kat should purchase just showing what is available or is that not what we do on this website???

So to use this plate (1950 Euro) she also needs a 12,000 Euro Selmi... yes that's by far the CHEAPEST solution anyone has come up with.

Kat

Look here http://www.selmi-chocolate.it/eng/plate/injection.html#techdata

Regards

Just FYI, I can do ~100 bars per hour or more using the previously mentioned syringe and a cheap dental vibrator. It's really very convenient because you only have to use one device to extract, measure and pour your chocolate.

For example, your 2.5 oz bars would translate to ~71 grams or just about 55cc (using the formula I gave you above) of chocolate.

Everyone else seems very fond of the $500 (funnel) or $10,000 (wheel machine) solutions, well here I am giving you a $5 one...

Though I would much rather be using one of these machines!

Thank you Alan! Right now, because I doing things out of my home, I am doing the old school double boiler, and then using a ladle to put it into a measuring cup to pour. I am hoping to find a pourer that will measure out exactly 2.5 oz so I do not have to eye-ball the exact amount.

Good Morning Kat

What piece of equipment are you currently taking your chocolate from?

Is a type of melting vessel with a turning wheel on, because you can have a pouring spout on these that will fill your moulds and then you can put the mould onto a vibrating table to level the chocolate, this would probably be easier, i have attached a photo of a machine that i am talking about.

We've tried the cheap funnel and there is just not enough back pressure for chocolate. YMMV.

What about a metered funnel? Chocolate World has one that is available from Tomric in the US.

brian

A 100cc syringe works perfectly. Chocolate has a density of ~1.27 grams/cc so it's very easy to measure out your bars. Look for them in vet supplies.

simply put the mould on top of a scale (that most probably you have...) and just add till right measure.

Chocolate change its density depending on the temperature and always a good layer stay attached to the vessel.

the colder it gets the thicker it becomes.

We do our 1 kg blocks in this way and we use to do the bars with the same system..

Then we bought a continuos tempering machine with pneumatic valve that measures on the dot... and we smile ever since!

I hand pour my chocolates into 2.5oz bars. I use regular plastic molds. Does anyone have a source of a piece of equipment that measures oz and would make my life easier to not have to then scrape the bars after they harden? And create a more uniform bar?

Interesting post here

http://www.thequenelle.com/2009/10/cappuccino-chocolate-bar-or-usin...

Chef Migoya uses coffee beans to produce "liquor" and adds sugar and cocoa butter to make chocolate. The post is interesting as is the Comments section which generated some interesing questions and answers.

Edited to add: to incorporate coffee in my chocolate confections, I put 100g coffee beans in 600g of white chocolate (at 45 C), cover the bowland keep the bowl at 45 C (either in a heat cabinet or put your bowl inside a melting tank heated to ~55 C. Leave for 4-5 hours and then strain out the beans. The white chocolate has a strong coffee taste and smell.

2-5% coffee ground into whatever chocolate you are making makes a fantastic mocha bar of chocolate. I reccommend it with a really fruity chocolate like Madagascar or Australian with a little milk powderit is by far the prefered bar that I make and I make a lot of different and crazy stuff. I find it grinds down so it is not noticable in the chocolate - smooth as and at this level there is no problem with cross contamination of chocolate batches. I make this type of chocolate a lot. Ghirardelli makes a similar type of bar to this. Do it!

I saw a bar at Fancy Food Show a couple years ago, made somewhere in PA, he used ground coffee, sugar, and cocoa butter, processed it like you would make chocolate, into a fine paste, then formed it into bars. Very nice work.

I agree I wouldn't grind it in there, it's going to create a grain you're customers are going to notice. The few thoughts which flit by my mind is to either make it into a simple syrup (make extra strength coffee, boil it down to 1/2 then make a normal simple syrup, and boil away more of the water--this would take some trial and error) for addition or take the simple syrup and boil it down a bit more then let dry, break it back into the sugars and you've got a coffee flavored sugar.

Or you can do like Brad mentioned and do it through the confections. We do an espresso truffle where we've extracted the espresso into the cream before creating the ganache.

My suggestion would be to figure out a way to use the coffee in your confections, and not grind it at all into your chocolate. Coffee is a very strong flavour, which could very easily find its way into other chocolate you make regardless of how much you think you've cleaned out your grinder.

Hello !

I have just found someone who roasts freshly coffee and I have some ideas to make chocolate with this coffee. Can I put the coffee in the grinder with sugar and other ingredients ? How do you make it ?

The problem is that I have just one grinder and I make other types of chocolate too..

Thank you in advance for your help !

Chris:

There is now a distributor for Pomati in the USA - Qzina. They're national but their HQ is in Southern California. I suggest you connect with them directly re: parts.

Hi Sam,

Let me reply to the two messages together:

1) I suggested sourcing from local manufacturers around you as said you were unable to locate parts and the only option you had was going to Italy. There should not be any need to go there since Pomati is helpful. Original parts is the preferred option always.

2) There is nothing wrong with the machine, in my case the customer took a sharp object like a screw driver and poked it in the area where the melted chocolate is pushed into the machine. They intended to push out the solid chocolate mass that was rotting in the tube but ended up puncturing a hole in the tubing system of the machine.

Hope this helps you. Good luck.

Hello Ankur,

Which Tempering machine do you suggest is better when compared FBM , Semi or Pomati in 10 -15kg range ?

I am finding this strange

"The only other option, is to approach local manufacturers / suppliers around you for a similar part. It goes without saying that the part would need to be as close to the original as possible."

Why not to use original parts from the company.

Hi!

Is there anything wrong with the machine? Can you please share your experience with Pomati Machine?

Hi Chris,

I was in touch with Pomati (probably more than a year ago), with regards to repairs needed on a machine they had sold to a customer in India (Bangalore city, I am in Mumbai). They were more than happy to guide me and send over necessary parts (at the customers expense in this case as they were the ones who messed it up). Have you tried doing the same.

The only other option, is to approach local manufacturers / suppliers around you for a similar part. It goes without saying that the part would need to be as close to the original as possible.

All the best in any case.

I am unable to locate parts for this machine other than going to Italy.

I understand depreciation, how to calculate, the many different ways of calculating, and how it applies to your; balance sheet, income statement, free cash flows, etc. I am just curious which method people are using.

Depreciation is an accounting function, the calculation of which is derived from a number of business decisions you make WITH your accountant. Depreciation can accrue over a period of years, or can be calculated on a flat/sliding scale and accounted for yearly prior to your business taxes being done.

In a nutshell? There is no one single way of calculating depreciation for equipment.

Cheers.

Brad

Those of you who are running a chocolate business or sell your chocolates, what is the time table for your accumulated depreciation on your equipment?

I am have purchased my basic home equipment but right now I am planning to use it just for hobby use, but if the people I share it with like I may turn it into a business and was curious about the depreciation. If you could just tell me how many years and what model you have that would be great.

If you run a business and don't know what I'm talking about feel free to message me. If you're not doing this you could be in a bit of trouble if you ever did get audited and you are technically not paying taxes correctly. That can make the government mad haha!

Thanks!

Hi,

I live in Samoa and dabble in development work here.(started as a Peac CorpsVolunteer, looking to start my own NGO one of these days.) Also a (very) amatuer chocoloate maker. I'd like to know this guy's name if you don't mind sharing, so I can steer clear.

Thanks,

Benj

howard...

I was approached 2 years ago by a man who said he was representing some cocoa farmers in Samoa. He talked a long talk and was slicker than seal fat. Long story short it was a scam. Now the good people at the farm in Samoa were nice enough but the man who was representing them and was supposedly setting up the NGO was a con artist who had bilked other industries in Samoa out of money. I have his name and a long list of lawsuits filed against him if interested.

The beans he sent me were either completely moldy or not fermented at all.

Howard-----

wonderful flavor of criollo variety is what I remember from the early 70's. The islands was littered with cacao plants, every village had tree's as tall as 12 feet. Conditions are great to regrowth of this variety and find your research helpful.

Paulie

Here's something else we're trying to figure out . . .

In its heyday, Samoan cocoa enjoyed a high reputation in the world of chocolate making because of reputedly having the highest level of cocoa butter in the world. Why would that be?

Samoas fine chocolate quality may be due to the unique soil composition of Samoas cocoa growing areas. On the northwest rain-shadowed coast of both islands (see attachment), trees seemingly grow out of rocks. Soil is buried deeply in the fissures. Almost no mechanization is possible, even walking is difficult. Land is very difficult to clear, however, once established, cocoa trees on the lava flow thrive on the weed-free environment, where their own leaves cover the earth.

According to studies, Samoan soils are unbalanced in respect to nutrients; calcium is too high or potassium is too low for optimal crop yields. Potassium-deficient plants are more susceptible to certain diseases. Potassium-rich treatments could include seaweed or compost rich in decayed banana peels. Wood ash has high potassium content, but should be composted first as it is in a highly soluble form. It is possible that potassium deficiency has led the plant to exude a higher than usual cocoa fat content.

Very interesting read, thanks for posting.

Yes, they were Criollo and Trinitario. And there is still heaps of Trinitario. What is you opinion of Amelonado? I know it is more disease-resistant, but disease resistance can be greatly aided by proper "sanitary pruning" See e.g. http://aciar.gov.au/system/files/node/9136/MN131%20full%20text.pdf What would one recommend in terms of over time replacing the Amelonado with Trinitario? Regards.

Howard -

Do you know what fine flavor varieties were planted on the island prior to their being replaced by the Amelonado strains you mention?

Hello everyone: I've been doing research into Samoan chocolate. Twenty years ago it had one of the best reputations in the world with most of its crop being classified as "fine and flavour" (top ICCO category). Today, despite having 5000 acres of fine cocoa, Samoa has only a (very strong) domestic market and a (very small) export to New Zealand (Samoans). I'm working on a plan to revive Samoa's chocolate industry with a group of NGOs and private sector. One of the things I'm researching is what led to Samoa's decline. I've come up with the following narrative, and I'd appreciate if anyone can add or change anything to it. Kind regards, Howard Frederick Mamor Chocolates in Melbourne Australia

• The mid-seventies were Samoas peak period in terms of cocoa earnings. Cocoa exports had been declining from the early 1960s to 1972, but from 1972-1977 world cocoa prices septupled, and average receipts were US$5.83 million per year. Exports peaked in 1977 at a level that was never to be achieved again. The problem was that, although the industry had been prospering, yield had been declining from the 1960s due to the widespread adoption of poor planting material. Thus cocoa export values declined during the early 1980s due to the triple effect of falls in prices, decline in quality, and decline in yields.
• But a recovery of sorts began in 1983 after a cocoa rehabilitation program in the 1970s and early 1980s that entailed replanting areas with high-yielding, more disease-resistant but less flavourful Amelonado varieties. The volume of cocoa bean exports almost trebled and their unit value almost doubled, remaining above US$1 million until 1987. For the remainder of the decade, however, falling world prices led to a rapid decline in cocoa export values that were only US$0.26 million in 1989.
• The decline to this date had nothing to do with cyclones. Samoas planting of amelonado substantial premium traditionally earned by Samoan cocoa in world markets when Trinitario cocoa dominated, making it eligible for sale as 'fine or flavour' cocoa, had disappeared. Samoan beans were being sold at an appreciable discount by 1982-83 and quality continued to deteriorate throughout the 1980s due to poor fermentation, drying and storage practices, and increased plantings of the lower-value Amelonado cocoa varieties.
• The death blow came when devastating natural and biological disasters destroyed the industry. These included Cyclone Ofa in February 1990 and Cyclone Val in December 1991, the latter being the most devastating cyclone to hit the country in a century.
• Despite aid-funded efforts in the 1980s to rehabilitate cocoa, chronic problems evident in previous decades persisted into the final decade in these industries. The devastating effects of Cyclones Ofa and Val, and the drought that followed Cyclone Ofa, compounded the negative impact of an extended period of low world prices and virtually destroyed the cocoa industry from 1990 to 2000.
• Tree losses of 20-30% were heavy due to the long duration of the cyclones and the long exposure to salt spray. Trees older than 10 years were the most affected. After virtually no exports to 1996, cocoa export values at least recovered to US$44,000 in 1996, but exports remained at negligible levels throughout the decade. [1]

Hi Clay,

I am currently buying powder and butter and making my bars with it. I am in the process of going down to Belize to source some beans. They will be fermented already, and when I get them I would need to separate the powder and the butter to make my bars. I do not have the equipment to do this, though I would love some resources on how to purchase them myself. In the meantime, I would love if someone had the capabilities to do this. Right now, it is only about 200lb/month.

Kat -

Just to be clear. You are currently making chocolate from the bean and want to find a way to make cocoa butter and cocoa powder from it? Is that correct?

What kinds of quantities are you talking about? A couple of kilos at a time? A couple of hundred kilos at a time? Tons?

Hello! I am looking for someone who has the capabilities to separate the bean into butter and powder for our company. Thank you!

Thank You all,

really understand the use of lecithin better after reading all your comments. Ill be trying my next batch without lecithin,

thanks again

cheers

Only have a few moments now i'm afraid, not much time to get into it.

Lecithin is an ampiphillic emulsifier - one end of it is hydrophillic (attracted to water), end end is lipophillic (attracted to fat). One of the (many) reasons chocolate can get thick is as Mark notes, there is a small amount of moisture present - sugar carries a monolayer of moisture with it, milk has some adsorbed to it's protein, lactose has water of crystallization, etc. Where that moisture comes into contact with, say, sugar you get a phase transition (your sugar goes from crystalline to solution - forms a syrup), and anyone who's ever spilled a soda and missed a spot in cleaning it up knows well that it can get sticky as all get out. The hydrophillic end of lecithin will, essentially, 'stick' to that syrup phase, whereas the other end of lecithin will 'stick' to the cocoa butter (a bit more complicated than that but you get the jist) forming a bridge between the two, essentially making it less sticky.

Now, conching generates (or can, dependent on your process) a lot of heat, and some of the moisture can be volatilized off during conching - so if you've got a process that does this, adding lecithin too early may tie up the moisture, making it harder for it to go away. However, not all processes blow off moisture very well, so it's good to know your process. Some processes get hot enough that you hit what's called the glass transition point of a crystal (sugar), and you can shift it from a crystal to an amorphous state (glass). Amorphous sugars like to collect ambient moisture.

Afraid i've never looked at hardness as a function of lecithin. My gut tells me that the more lecithin you use the softer your chocolate gets (by just a tad) as lecithin is 50% fluid oil, but again i've no direct experience measuring it and as such don't know for certain.

Hmmmm.... I don't know Mark.

I've never heard of lecithin being used to absorb water. Nor have I heard of sugar melting during the refining process. My view is if that much heat is generated, then you're WAY too hot.

I've also never heard of Lecithin being used to aid in the crystalization of the Cocoa butter to make the final chocolate "harder"...

Maybe Sebastian can weigh in here. He's a lot more conversant on Lecithin than I....

Sebastian?