Forum Activity for @Bean and Goose Chocolate

Bean and Goose Chocolate
@Bean and Goose Chocolate
08/28/13 02:07:40
3 posts

Looking for Chocolate Moulds


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Thanks Adam,

I have seen the mould in chocolat-chocolat but have not come across Tomric as yet - so thank you, I will drop them a mail to see if they have what I am looking for.

Karen

Bean and Goose Chocolate
@Bean and Goose Chocolate
08/28/13 02:02:54
3 posts

Looking for Chocolate Moulds


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi Clay,

Sorry, yes I am looking for professional grade polycarbonate. I would need about 25 moulds to start with.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
08/27/13 20:36:38
1,688 posts

Looking for Chocolate Moulds


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Karen -

It would also be helpful to know how many molds you are looking for - and I assume you are looking for professional-grade polycarbonate?

Bean and Goose Chocolate
@Bean and Goose Chocolate
08/27/13 04:01:45
3 posts

Looking for Chocolate Moulds


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi,

Does anyone know where I can source plain, square chocolate bar moulds? Ideally about 85g & sized 85*85 without patterns or inserts, to create 'slab' bars of chocolate.

I have contacted suppliers all across Europe & have had no luck to date, I can get 100g bars but not 85g.

If anyone knows of a supplier, I would be over the moon!

Thanks

Karen

Bean and Goose Chocolate


updated by @Bean and Goose Chocolate: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Emmanuelle Richy
@Emmanuelle Richy
08/27/13 03:27:53
2 posts

cocoa butter in ganaches


Posted in: Opinion

thank you.:)

Gap
@Gap
08/25/13 23:45:52
182 posts

cocoa butter in ganaches


Posted in: Opinion

It can help firm up/set a ganache but will still give a good mouthfeel for the ganache because cocoa butter melts near body temperature

Emmanuelle Richy
@Emmanuelle Richy
08/24/13 19:43:50
2 posts

cocoa butter in ganaches


Posted in: Opinion

Hi,

I wanted to know what does cocoa butter bring when you add it in a ganache?


updated by @Emmanuelle Richy: 04/16/15 12:21:13
Emilio Perez
@Emilio Perez
09/29/13 09:29:31
6 posts

London Chocolate F(r)iends


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Hi Connor, best of luck in your new endeavor :). any ideas where you would you be buying your cacao beans from ?

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
09/19/13 17:51:59
1,688 posts

London Chocolate F(r)iends


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Connor -

ChocolateWeek in London is coming up and is the perfect time to connect with the London chocolate community. Chocolate Unwrapped is now the London Salon du Chocolat - but check in with the organizers ( Nudge PR ) about volunteering and the like - a great way to make introductions and get caught up on the scene.

Jo Derrick
@Jo Derrick
09/19/13 00:11:15
1 posts

London Chocolate F(r)iends


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Hi Connor, it's doubtful I'll be getting to London anytime soon but would love to talk cacao sometime! I am just starting up as a chocolatier too - only seen your post this morning.

All best and good luck,

Jo :-)

Connor Friesen
@Connor Friesen
08/23/13 07:08:53
1 posts

London Chocolate F(r)iends


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Hello All,

I've just signed up to The Chocolate Life and I'm also just starting up a tiny little chocolate business here in London.

I'd love to meet up with anyone else who's on the chocolate scene here in the city.

Say hi! Let's go stuff our faces at the William Curley dessert bar or something.

Best,

Connor


updated by @Connor Friesen: 04/21/15 03:45:06
George Trejo
@George Trejo
08/22/13 11:06:48
41 posts

Caramel Wrapping


Posted in: Tasting Notes

It's time for me to start looking in to caramel wrapping equipment.

I need something with a small footprint and something under $5,000 used

Is there anything like this out there? I saw Package Machinery's tabletop wrapper, but at almost $20,000 it's way out of budget.

Even something just semi-automatic would be great.

Any suggestions or ideas would be appreciated!


updated by @George Trejo: 05/01/15 20:29:55
Carlos Eichenberger
@Carlos Eichenberger
08/30/13 16:50:41
158 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

I press all my own butters... and I go so far as them being Plantation-Specific, not just origin-specific. It is outrageously expensive to do this, and if I weren't in the country of origin, I would not do it. There's a video in my profile of the process.

And I don't use it in all of my chocolate, only in eating chocolate. For couverture we use a local butter that is still quite nice, but nowhere near as awesome as the butters pressed from prime beans.

Even so, deodorized butter has its place in our operation. For beans that we can't get enough of to press the butter from, in goes the DO butter. We also use it for making a white chocolate that goes in ganaches and fillings.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
08/30/13 10:32:05
527 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Julie;

There is a lot of deceptive labelling and naming in the chocolate industry. "Percentage" and "origin" are just acouple misusedterms. To battle that, I have since day one, put the exact ingredients and their percentages by weight on the bars my company makes.

Brad

Julie Fisher
@Julie Fisher
08/30/13 02:23:45
33 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

This is what I suspected. But for me it then raises the question of how honest the labelling is.

For instance an 80% pure Single Origin, from Land A. This could have 40% cocoa butter from unspecified sources. So in actual fact only 40% cocoa mass would be from the the Land of Origin.

Therefore I would like to see clearly on the packaging..

Percentage cocoa mass from land of origin

Percentage sugar

Percentage added cocoa butter... from land of origin

Percentage added cocoa butter... from unspecified sources.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/29/13 18:54:48
754 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Butter is like any other commodity - they'll produce what the majority users want. Much of it is indeed deodorized - i'd be hard pressed to say if most of it is, however - but certain a lot of it is. Almost all of it, deodorized or not - is blended to try to achieve consistency. Cocoa beans are not always fermented, not always ripe, sometimes infested, sometimes rotten, etc. Origin notwithstanding, all these things result in different physical and sensory profiles - blending helps round those out to achieve a stable commodity.

Shawn presses in the US BTW. His cocoa powder certainly won't go to waste, it's in another of his products 8-)

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
08/29/13 15:40:48
527 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

This is an interesting thread, and I'd like to add my two bits...

There has been no mention yet of deodorized, or non-deodorized cocoa butter. Sebastian would know better, butmy understanding isthat most of the cocoa butter used today in chocolate is deodorized, because most of it is made from cocoa beans that nobody would really want made into chocolate and by itself smells horrible.

If in fact the cocoa butter IS deodorized, then origin is for the most part irrelevant as the cocoa butter is used solely for it's fluidityand crystalization properties. It in essence then brings absolutely nothing to the chocolate in the way of flavour.

I read in here that Askinosie makes their own cocoa butter. Interesting indeed. Is it made in the US, or at origin? I would certainly like to do some financial costing on THAT cocoa butter if it's made in the US! Well.... No... Not really. Paying a high price for, the beans and their import costs - all by weight -only to press out the fat and leaving 60% of the bean as waste doesn't seem viable to me unless they are doing it to make their own cocoa powder, which in that case would make sense. Sometimes I wish I could make my own cocoa powder.

Anyway, given the typical uses for cocoa butter, and the source of the cocoa butter it does make sense that there is very little single origin cocoa butter around.

Cheers

Brad

Brasstown Chocolate
@Brasstown Chocolate
08/26/13 14:14:45
14 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

We add cocoa butter in small quantities to our chocolate because we feel it brings out more of the flavors we are seeking. In addition it makes tempering much easier.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/24/13 05:45:15
754 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Callebaut, with the purchase of Petra, is now the worlds largest grinder - all of their beans can't be flavor grade 8-) It's always either the beans, the process, or the storage 8-)

Julie Fisher
@Julie Fisher
08/24/13 01:08:17
33 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

That is perhaps going too far. But I am not happy to buy a 75% Single Origin bar, if only 40% is actually cocoa mass from the land in question and 35% cocoa butter...unspecified.

I would like to see the actual percentages of cocoa mass, sugar, cocoa butter etc. And if the cocoa butter is not from the same origin, I would like to know.

Personally I cannot understand, yet, why extra cocoa butter would be added.

Julie Fisher
@Julie Fisher
08/24/13 00:52:23
33 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Well the companies concerned are Valrhona and Callebaut. Both offer Single Origin. so it is not per se the beans.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/23/13 17:50:58
754 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Why not? Sugar cane grows in huge quantities in central america and the carribean; palm sugar in africa and asia, etc. I've seen cows on every continent except Antarctica, and soybeans are one of the most abundant crops on the planet (lecithin). I bet you could even get an orchid to grow in la republica dominicana and harvest some vanilla, although i've never looked for one there 8)

Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/23/13 17:48:47
754 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Could be a function of conching, but remember that the bulk couverature that you're buying from large industrial manufacturer is likely made using predominately a blend of african or african and indonesian beans - which aren't sourced for their unique delicate flavor parameters - rather because they can be purchased in huge volumes and the 'rough spots' blended out in massive mixing tanks.

There are exceptions, of course, but without the details of the specific mfr, i'm going to place my bets on the 99.75% of the product that's on the market 8-)

ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
08/23/13 12:21:09
251 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Askinosie presses their own cocoa butter and they use it in their chocolate. I agree that to be strictly origin chocolate that the cocoa butter should come from the same origin as the cacao. So for those who add cocoa butter, maybe only Askinosie is truly single origin.

One chocolate maker I know recently said that, in his opinion, to be truly single origin then even the sugar should come from the same source. But that may be going too far. If that were the case then then no company would be able to call themselves single origin.

Julie Fisher
@Julie Fisher
08/23/13 06:10:00
33 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

The reason I asked, is that at the present moment I have no conch. So I am looking at working from couverture. However most of the major couverture producers, seem, to me, to over work/conch the chocolate. That way it is super smooth, but the aromas and flavours that make a particular bean/origin special are almost gone.

For me that is so disappointing. And it will force me into conching my own chocolate much sooner than I would like.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/23/13 05:10:42
754 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Conching is treated either as an art by most, or as a quick passthrough step, and there are very few who understand even how to measure the progression of conching (ie is it doing what you want it to do, is it doing it most effectively, etc) - there's actually quite a lot of science behind it!

Perhaps one day when i retire or semi-retire i'll start holding classes 8-)

Julie Fisher
@Julie Fisher
08/23/13 02:49:56
33 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

Interesting Sebastian. What do you mean when you say that very few people understand how to conche properly... when do you do you Masterclass? ;-)

Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/22/13 17:46:21
754 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

1) Not everyone does add add'l cocoa butter. Because things like moisture and particle size make a difference to viscosity, and because there are very, very, very few people who understand how to conche properly - add'l cocoa butter is a very easy way to compensate for rheological challenges

2) i'd say so, yes - but there are no standards.

3) it's expensive, and there's little demand for it. you'd also end up with a single origin cocoa powder, by the way - which there *may* be demand for if you can market it properly... but still very expensive. Actually there are single origin cocoa butters - you can get single origin ivorian, single origin ghanaian, single origin indonesian - it' effectively what's already out there, for the most part.

Julie Fisher
@Julie Fisher
08/22/13 09:51:32
33 posts

Single Origin Cocoa butter?


Posted in: Opinion

It seems that many chocolate producers add cocoa butter to their ingredients.

Since cocoa beans are approx 50% fat (cocoa butter) why would you need to add extra?

If you are producing a single origin bar, shouldn't this cocoa butter also be from the same origin?

Why then are there NO single origin cocoa butters available?


updated by @Julie Fisher: 04/14/15 21:56:10
Astrid Helm
@Astrid Helm
08/21/13 10:57:59
1 posts

Visiting a cocoa plantation in Peru


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi!

I have always wanted to visit a cocoa plantation and find out how it grows, walk around between the cocoa trees and see how the fermentation process is done.

This year (in September to be exact) I'm going to travel to Peru hope to get the chance to visit one of those farms.

Has anyone experience with cocoa plantations in Peru? I don't speak Spanish and couldn't get any information in English about where the farms would be located and if it's possible to just go there and take a look.

I would be so grateful if anyone of you would have some hints for met!

Thanks in advance!

Cheers

Astrid


updated by @Astrid Helm: 04/10/15 07:32:53
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
08/22/13 06:26:22
157 posts

Sanitation of product when using enrober


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You're over thinking it. We use a Perfect and make some varieties of pronounced flavor truffles. We segregate gluten batches into different chocolate reservoir to keep from gluten cross contamination but for truffles have never seen flavor blending.Considerations,-- a 35# chocolate res can take minuscule truffle bleed out. Think of how much greater the dilution is than your current setup.-- You will need to refill your res during large runs. There is a happy place the machine draws most effectively from. If you don't refill you will be left with 5-7# at the end and have to add a new 30# the next time. Again, dilution. You'll also find a rhythm for resetting a res from time to time.-- Enrobers are steady and swift. 2-3s under the falls. Hand dipping is a little more jerky and potentially a longer immersion time.With that in mind I doubt you'll ever notice any issues. You'll have far more issues early on learning the nuances of the workflow and keeping the chocolate happy. ;-)Good luck!
Shannon Campbell
@Shannon Campbell
08/20/13 20:30:36
13 posts

Sanitation of product when using enrober


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Good evening!

Right now my candy shop makes every product by hand, including dipping truffles. We have grown too big for our britches :-)

I am looking to purchase my first piece of equipment and think an enrober is the way to go. I am looking at the Perfect 6", however, as I think about how I works I am concerned about sanitation of the chocolate.

When using a hard item like a cookie or biscuit, you may get a few crumbs that come off under the chocolate "waterfall" or from the blower.... but my largest concern is when enrobing truffles. We make a Mayan truffle, which contains a lot of chili pepper in the ganache. When we hand dip them, I can clearly see the outermost layer of ganache melt slightly as the warm chocolate coats it. Eventually the dipping bowl becomes so filled with chili powder build up from the melting ganache centers that we have to throw the coating away and begin with new.

My thought here is that when using the enrober with a large hopper as it were, will also experience a slight melt of ganache centers during the coating process. As that chocolate is rotated back into the hopper, hasn't that introduced both flavor contamination and water contamination (ganache contains cream, cream contains water), thereby inviting bacterial growth into your chocolate tank? I know there are tons of companies that must use enrobers for truffles but I can't figure out how they get around the likelihood of contamination of the coating chocolate. I feel like I have to be missing something very obvious.I make a number of truffles with strong flavors, so the worry of bothflavor and bacteria contamination are making me second-guess this idea.

Am I missing something? Can anyone tell me their process in order to avoid this concern? Thank you!!!


updated by @Shannon Campbell: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
08/21/13 12:05:35
194 posts

Adding cocoa butter to thin chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Why don't you call the lab at Guittard? They are very helpful and can answer your questions. Guittard also sells cocoa butter. They might suggest you use a different chocolate than Ramona.

Brianna
@Brianna
08/21/13 11:53:04
3 posts

Adding cocoa butter to thin chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Clay,

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it. I will be using Ramona Guittard. Yes, to answer your question this is about the enrobing question, we have been trying to achieve the thin layer with the enrober, and yes it does have a blower, however this enrober is super ancient and when the blower is on nothing comes out looking nearly as nice as without. So that is why I am wondering if we can achieve the thin layer with a less viscous chocolate and without the blower. Ah yes and I think I may have gotten confused with the weights somehow, I am looking to achieve about a 1/16 of an inch. Also is there a particular brand of cocoa butter that I should consider using with Ramona?

Thanks!

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
08/21/13 09:34:02
1,688 posts

Adding cocoa butter to thin chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Brianna:

You should only need to add a fairly small amount (<5% by weight) so the answer is ... it depends on the chocolate and the cocoa butter you are using. Unsweetened chocolate (like Guittard Oban) is fairly high in cocoa butter, so if you think you're diluting the flavor, cut down on the butter slightly and add some unsweetened chocolate to the blend. Alternatively, consider using an undeodorized cocoa butter which will have a pronounced chocolate flavor (compared with a deodorized butter).

As for the melt point - some butters have lower melt points than others. Butters with low melt points are considered "soft" and butters with higher melting points are considered "hard". If you add a low melt point butter to a chocolate it may affect the melt point of the blend, also depending on the amount of butter you're adding.

In the end, you'll need to do some experiments to see what works best for you.

Is this related to the enrobing question?

Brianna
@Brianna
08/20/13 12:47:03
3 posts

Adding cocoa butter to thin chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi there,

If I am looking to add cocoa butter to thin out and lower the viscosity of chocolate, does anyone know how much I can add before it will really begin to effect the flavor? Will a higher level of cocoa butter cause my end product to melt easier?

Thanks!


updated by @Brianna: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
08/21/13 09:40:01
1,688 posts

Achieving a super thin layer of chocolate on a hard center


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Brianna -

I assume you've done tests to know that the chocolate adheres well to your center.

Can you specify thinness as a measurement, not weight? 8-10gr of chocolate on 28gr of center is 25-30% by weight which seems fairly thick, actually. And the pieces are fairly big. What shape are they? Not sure if the can be panned or if they need to be enrobed.

You can thin out the chocolate a tad (is this the point of the cocoa butter question?).

There is usually a movable blower attachment on an enrober belt. The blower can be positioned quite close to the work to remove a significant amount of chocolate.

Enrobers should also have pre-bottomers and de-tailers so I would not "settle" for having a foot around the pieces.

Colin Green
@Colin Green
08/20/13 16:24:28
84 posts

Achieving a super thin layer of chocolate on a hard center


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

How many do you need? I do this with freeze dried strawberries in order to give me a base for panning.

Brianna
@Brianna
08/20/13 11:59:24
3 posts

Achieving a super thin layer of chocolate on a hard center


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi there everyone,

I am looking to get an very very thin layer of chocolate on to a hard center. By thin I mean super super thin, around 8g-10g of chocolate per 28 grams of hard centers. I will be having this done by a commercial facility and so I am looking to figure out the most efficient method, and piece of machinery that will be needed. If anyone has any advice at all that would be greatly appreciated. I don't mind having a "foot" on the bottom if need be, and I would prefer to keep them natural and matt vs any sort of confectioners glaze.

Thanks!


updated by @Brianna: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
08/20/13 07:15:24
194 posts

Shelf life of chocolate sauces


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Talk to your people at Oregon State. You have to be concerned with the water activity and possibly using a small amount of preservative. If you pack at 180 degrees and have your aw low enough, you SHOULD be ok. Wouldn't want that liability without the experts advice.

Juliana Renno
@Juliana Renno
08/20/13 01:58:47
1 posts

Shelf life of chocolate sauces


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello! I have been trying to find a thread on chocolate/truffle/caramel/sauces shelf life issues and I am having a hard time. Does anyone "bottle" their chocolate sauce and/or caramel? If so, how is your process? Do you do a water bath? Pressure cooker? No "canning" at all? What is your self life? I just can't find specific information about this...I have been making a chocolate sauce that would be a great product to sell around Christmas time, but I would like to make it safe...Thank you!


updated by @Juliana Renno: 04/11/25 09:27:36
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