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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/04/14 10:31:00
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Initial Thoughts: CHOCOA 2014


Posted in: Opinion

Links to copies of the presentations can be found here .

Note that the proposed title of the Unilever presentation is Climate Impact and Biodiversity . When you actually load the PDF you can read the infomercial for the Unilever Sustainable Living Plan . They are not synonymous.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/04/14 09:58:38
1,690 posts

Initial Thoughts: CHOCOA 2014


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Thomas:

I will see if I can get Frank Homann to share his assumptions and worksheet with us.

Thomas Forbes
@Thomas Forbes
04/03/14 16:11:07
102 posts

Initial Thoughts: CHOCOA 2014


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You sure give me a lot to think about. I do not think the word, sustainable, was ever really defined at the WCF meeting last Oct. in Santo Domingo. I am trying to get a better handle on what a profitable cacao farm looks like in the DR. Thanks.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/03/14 02:28:13
1,690 posts

Initial Thoughts: CHOCOA 2014


Posted in: Opinion

Chocoa Trade Fair, Conference, and Festival
March 27-31, 2014
Amsterdam

The program for the 2nd CHOCOA Conference was and is ambitious. The first CHOCOA in 2013 was more modest in scope but no less ambitious in its own way: the Dutch government has made a commitment to 100% sustainable chocolate by 2025 and CHOCOA is a part of the effort to help Dutch consumers understand why sustainable cocoa and chocolate are important.

An important part of this endeavor is to communicate what the word sustainable actually means to find ways to convey what are very complex global socio-economic issues in simple, powerful ways that can affect behavior meaningfully.

The first day of CHOCOA 2014 was dedicated to an experimental trade fair. The concept for the trade fair was to provide a means to introduce small cocoa producers and craft chocolate makers to each other. The stretch goal for the trade fair, which was not reached, was to provide a platform for a live auction of cocoa beans that the producers brought with them.

It was very fitting, then, that the CHOCOA conference program was held in the Beurs van Berlage, home to the world's first stock and commodities exchanges - the trading platform that funded the exploration and exploitation of the New World and the African colonies. (Ghana was a Dutch colony.)

The interior of the Beurs in trade fair mode.

In the end, there was not enough time to arrange the shipment of more than sample quantities of beans, though the auction component is still very much in the organizers' sights for 2015 and beyond. Bringing sample quantities proved to be more than enough as one key goal of the trade fair was achieved - introducing small chocolate makers to small cocoa producers for the purpose of buying beans directly. While I don't know of any committed transactions that took place during the trade fair itself, I do know that many chocolate makers left happy to have made direct personal contact with producers from new origins and that these introductions will lead to a lot of very good new chocolates being produced over the coming years.

For me, personally, the trade fair day meant finally getting to meet long-time ChocolateLife members and contributors Juan Pablo Buchert (Nahua Chocolate, Costa Rica) and Carlos Eichenberger (Danta Chocolate, Guatemala) as well as many old - and new - friends and colleagues.

Carlos Eichenberger. (Sorry, JP - the photo was too blurry to use!)

The second day of CHOCOA was filled with a conference program presentations from "leaders" in the sustainable cocoa and chocolate industry and learn what progress has been made toward sustainable cocoa with the theme of what the mainstream cocoa market could learn from the fine-flavor specialty market.

It is here that the complete and total disconnect between the specialty market and the mass market becomes clear.

If there is one takeaway, for me, from the conference program, it is that the specialty fine-flavor market needs to be very careful talking to the mass market companies because the mass market companies will co-op and subvert the language of specialty cocoa, emptying it of value and meaning. The case in point was an extended infomercial for Unilever given by their Director of Corporate Sustainability, Anneik Mauser, where the word sustainability was stripped of all credible meaning in the pursuit of globalization and corporate profiteering.

Most damning in Ms Mauser's presentation was the admission that nearly 70% of the potential impact of sustainability (and that word was not defined clearly even when asked directly) is in the hands of consumers. Unilever - who as a company consumes about 1.5% of the world's cocoa crop - is working hard to wring the benefits of "sustainability" over less than one-third of their global footprint. The other two-thirds can only be influenced through big-brother marketing designed to modify consumer thinking and behavior; i.e., control consumer thinking and behavor in a way that is designed to make people loyal consumers of Unilever products. That might be sustainable for Unilever's bottom line, but it's not clear that it means that people toiling at the bottom of the supply chain - for example, cocoa farmers - can earn a decent living.

There is a total of about 15 companies that effectively control the global cocoa industry, and therefore the market price of cocoa. There is a tendency to lay blame at the feet of these companies for all that is wrong in the world of cocoa. However, the world is a far more complex place than this and it is important to also recognize the consumer's role, especially through the proxy of global retailers such as Wal Mart. Companies like Mars and Nestle might not actually have much wiggle room in their cost structures as long as behemoths like Wal Mart wield huge influence through setting consumer prices. Wal Mart and their competitors are putting constant pressure on suppliers to reduce costs - placing the blame on the consumer and not inexorable pressure bottom line returns to outperform competitors that Wall Street investors demand. Wal Mart and their ilk are just as much to blame (or more) as any.

During one the afternoon breakout sessions, Frank Homann of Xoco (Honduras) presented an economic analysis of what the price for cocoa would have to be in order for cocoa farmers to be profitable. His calculations start out with saying that it basically impossible for the smallholder farmer to be profitable on the 2.5-5 Ha of land that is typical. Instead, farmer co-operatives of at least 100 Ha and a farm gate price of over $8.30 per kilo ($8300/MT) is the baseline and that profitability can't be achieved in the short run - timelines of five and ten years are needed because of the need to replace bulk cocoa varieties with specialty beans.

Frank also calculates that the market for high-end specialty cocoa is probably smaller than most people think: Specialty cocoa in the up to $8-9/kg range could be only a few tenths of 1% of the market; the very high end of the market might be less than 100 MT.

Jos Harmsen of Max Havelaar drove the point home that certifications - all certifications, not just Fair Trade - are not the answer to the problems of creating sustainable livelihoods for cocoa farmers. The reasons are complex, of course, but some aspects stand out.

One is that the certification industry has done a much better job of creating supply than demand. By one estimate, at some certified co-ops the percentage of the crop sold on Fairtrade terms may be only 10-20% of what's grown. The co-op pays for certifying 100% of what they grow, but can only recoup the cost of certification from the part they sell as certified. It doesn't take much (or too deep) thinking to realize that certification can actually be a money-losing proposition for many, if not most, co-ops. One chilling side effect of this is that few new co-ops are becoming certified as there is no demand for their cocoa. I was in a shop selling Fair Trade certified coffee drinks that proudly posted "Fair Trade guarantees a better deal for farmers" on one of its signboards.

Guarantees? Really? I mean, Really?

Another reason comes from examining how the Fair Trade floor price (currently US$2000/MT) is calculated. We are told that the starting point is the cost of sustainable production, but that is just the starting point of negotiations. Apparently, the buyers get to weigh in on this price and it is in their best interests to make the price as low as possible. With Frank Homann saying that the cost of sustainable production on a 100Ha farm is $8300/MT and Fair Trade saying it's less than one-quarter of that, there is some work that needs to be done in order to arrive at a figure that resembles ground truth. From my perspective, the Fair Trade figure is immediately (more) suspect for at least two reasons: a) the buyers get to "help" determine what it is -- and these discussions, like the TTIP negotiations, are not public; and b) it's the same price for every producing country, which implies that the cost of living and other factors are the same everywhere in the world, which makes no sense at all.

At this point it becomes clear that there is little that the bulk market can learn from the specialty market that can have any meaningful return to the cocoa farmer. The mass market for cheap and cheerful chocolate is just simply not going to absorb a permanent 300-400% price increase for its basic raw material.

What is clear is that the economic interests of the large cocoa and chocolate companies are diametrically opposed to the basic needs of cacao farmers. As the largest cacao-producing country in the world, the Ivory Coast (and West Africa in general) basically get to dictate the positions that ICCO will take on matters - and these are the interests of bulk cocoa. As long as the purpose of a public company is to maximize return to shareholders then farmers everywhere will be hammered on pricing and their livelihoods will suffer.

What's needed, I think, is a different pricing model. And this is someplace where the specialty market (perhaps spearheaded by the organization Direct Cacao) can innovate. For about five years I've been an advocate of a VAT model in conjunction with traceable supply chains. Rather than trying to recoup 100% of the cost of production on the first sale, the idea of the VAT model is to enable the farmer to participate in the transformation of cocoa to chocolate and to the point of sale to the consumer. I called it 5 Percent 4 Farmers (5%4F).

The concept is simple, every time the cocoa changes hands, a 5% tax is charged on the differential between the buying price and the selling price and all that money goes to the farmer because the supply chain is traceable. No mass balance equivalence, no tricks. Decentralized accounting and accountability that is fully transparent. In order for a retailer to sell 5%4F products, they must agree to the 5% as well in order to be able to display the logo in the store.

Interestingly, Antonie Fountain (Voice Network), one of the speakers at the conference, said that the idea had been brought up and actually made it a long way through the negotiation process at the international level. In the end it was tabled in committee for the reason of in-fighting: Who would get to control the pot of money and decide where it got spent? I suspect this is in part because complete traceability is not really possible in most bulk supply chains and so there is money that can't be traced to particular farmers or co-ops. What is done with this money and who gets to decide the projects on which it gets spent?

Another issue is the actual process of delivering the money to the farmer. What is the mechanism to ensure that the money actually gets into the right hands, especially in places where not everyone has access to banking services? I suspect that the answer is obvious and that the cacao community wants to make it more complicated than it needs to be: controlling the issue through FUD - fear, uncertainty, and doubt. While I don't know that it is a solution, the mobile payment system M-Pesa, branchless banking system originally set up to allow microfinance borrowers to repay their loans offers a model for implementation.

What I now sense is that the specialty cocoa sector has the opportunity to lead the rest of the world in these matters. But in order to do so it needs to stop paying so much attention to the bulk cocoa sector and to stop feeding them ideas that can be used to misconfuse the market and the public.


updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/09/15 16:41:29
Cindy Sanche
@Cindy Sanche
04/05/14 23:04:02
5 posts

transfer sheet process


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

thx again for your responses.....were you able to see the picture i attached on here? i just don't see how this would have been done with silk screening - being multi colored etc......am i out to lunch?

Cindy Sanche
@Cindy Sanche
04/04/14 16:26:03
5 posts

transfer sheet process


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Thanks very much Jon! :)
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/04/14 12:43:22
1,690 posts

transfer sheet process


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Cindy:

Here's the direct link to the eGullet article(s) that Jonathan is referring to.

Jonathan Edelson
@Jonathan Edelson
04/04/14 12:15:14
29 posts

transfer sheet process


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Most normal ink printers use very thin _transparent_ inks, which don't show up well on dark backgrounds. Edible inks are similarly transparent, and also don't show up well on dark backgrounds.

There are transfer sheet systems for chocolate, but the transfer sheets themselves include a white background that goes on to the chocolate so that the thin transparent inks will show up.

There are digital printers which, in theory, could put down the sort of colors which would show up well on a dark background, but I don't know if anyone has actually put this into production.

As Clay mentioned, the most common transfer sheet process is to screen print using colored cocoa butter. There are more or less expensive methods for making screens, and if you check egullet you can find discussion of DIY screen printing for transfer sheets.

-Jon

Cindy Sanche
@Cindy Sanche
04/03/14 08:54:28
5 posts

transfer sheet process


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Ohhh! Thank you! Do you know why that complicated process would be chosen versus a printer style transfer sheet? Is it just better quality? Thank you
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/03/14 02:30:51
1,690 posts

transfer sheet process


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Cindy -

The process that most large commercial producers use to make transfer sheets is like conventional screen printing.
Cindy Sanche
@Cindy Sanche
04/02/14 21:51:14
5 posts

transfer sheet process


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Can anyone answer this? How does this chocolatier make these transfer sheets for this type of corporate logo on chocolate? (i hope my picture attaches okay on here)

i am told it is not as simple as thinking they printed out a transfer sheet with edible cocoa butter 'ink'.......i am told that they use some sort of printing press process and have to make a plate? HUH? i am googling like crazy to figure this process out on what they have used but am getting nowhere.....anyone know? i am just completing a chocolate making course and want to know how this is done. thanks!

Cindy


updated by @Cindy Sanche: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Dario M. Agesilao
@Dario M. Agesilao
04/03/14 09:23:37
9 posts

New image for my chocolates.


Posted in: Opinion

well, it has to do with my nickname in the net.. as J-Bone.
The problem with the J, was that people here that does not know me tends to confuse it with "James bond" (we speak spanish), so I decided to remove the J..
Actually some friends call me "bone" as it reads in spanish.. (BO - NE).
I wonder what impression the name bones causes in you? :D

thanks a lot for the feedback!

Naomi Prasad
@Naomi Prasad
04/03/14 04:42:45
5 posts

New image for my chocolates.


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Looking nice. But the word Bone is a bit freaking me out . But other than that looks cool

Dario M. Agesilao
@Dario M. Agesilao
04/02/14 21:35:27
9 posts

New image for my chocolates.


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Well, I gues the word chocolate in it, more than enough.. actually the people here.. I don`t know if most of them will recognize the cocoa pod and beans.. but the product is not really going to go mainstream, it's just my small brand, and I want to get recognized with it, and not just by my name..what were you doing around Villa Madero :D!about the colors background and shadows etc.. it's still wip, so advises are apreciated!
Larry2
@Larry2
04/02/14 21:24:35
110 posts

New image for my chocolates.


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Dario, will the English name resonate with your target market? I passed through villa madero about twelve years ago. It is a beautiful place. I'm confident the locals will understand the name. However will it allow you to expand? If nationalism picks up will it be a problem?I really like the logos. On the one with the brown, could you lighten the background color a touch around the B? It almost gets lost in the brown.Nice work!!!Larry
Dario M. Agesilao
@Dario M. Agesilao
04/02/14 20:21:57
9 posts

New image for my chocolates.


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What do you think? any suggestions?


updated by @Dario M. Agesilao: 04/18/15 09:41:48
Ismael Neggaz
@Ismael Neggaz
04/02/14 13:58:45
16 posts

trimoline


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Trimoline convertion to gluecose.Is it one to one?How to use sorbitol?I appreciate your responses.Ismael
updated by @Ismael Neggaz: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Itziar Calvar
@Itziar Calvar
04/09/14 23:42:36
4 posts

How to prevent chocolate from melting in oven


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Hello Clay and thank you very much for replying.

OK, I understand. Then, since I am actually trying to learn to make chocolate I should learn to make chocolate chips. Please correct me if I'm wrong, chocolate chips have a much smaller amount of cocoa butter so they are higher in chocolate liquor which helps them hold shape. Does tempering also have to do with them not melting?

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/09/14 07:47:40
1,690 posts

How to prevent chocolate from melting in oven


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Itziar:

Basically, you can't.

The formula for chocolate chips is different from the formula for regular chocolate which is why it holds its shape during baking. If you are using a regular chocolate then it has high amounts of cocoa butter and it's going to melt in the oven. Many people who use regular chocolate use rather large chunks or pieces because they find lots of small pieces don't give the right look or texture.

Itziar Calvar
@Itziar Calvar
04/02/14 03:59:41
4 posts

How to prevent chocolate from melting in oven


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Hello everyone,

I very recently started making my own chocolate, and all because I need it in my gluten and lactose free bakery here in Bizkaia in the North of Spain. Gluten and lactose free is still something quite new over here, although us allergy sufferers have existed for a long time...

Anyhow, I have a question for you all. How do you stop chocolate from melting in the oven. I make my chocolate quitestrong on the cocoa side because I like the taste and purity of it, about 70%, but I just can't stop it from melting and my cookies do not look or taste the way I would like them to. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance.


updated by @Itziar Calvar: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Freddo
@Freddo
04/08/14 17:24:51
11 posts



I think you can get a good approximation this way, if you want to go to the trouble.Fill an accurate measuring container with exactly one litre of melted chocolate.Weigh it (subtract the weight of the container of course).The SG of water is 1.00 so 1 litre of fresh water weighs exacty 1 kilo, that is your reference.If your chocolate weighs 1200 grams your SG is 1.2If your chocolate weighs 1050 grams your SG is 1.05 etcAhhhhhh the metric system.Hope this helps
Jonathan Edelson
@Jonathan Edelson
04/08/14 08:05:29
29 posts



You might also give consideration to how different the results will actually be if you fill the molds to the same weight even with the different densities of chocolate.

The thickness of the bar will change, of course, since different densities mean different volumes for the same weight. But if this variation is 'seen' as a change at the 'back' of the bar, there may be no perceived quality difference.

-Jon

John Micelli
@John Micelli
04/06/14 16:55:39
4 posts



Netta,

No problem, all you have to do is size the mold for the lightest/lowest density product, if you have a depositor you can under fill sightly or if you flood and scrape you products will be slightly different weights.

Just so you know we ship mold to Israel, we currently make molds for Carmit, Taste of Israel. You can learn more at www.micelli.com or email me at Johnmicelli@micelli.com

John Micelli
@John Micelli
04/03/14 07:21:58
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Chocolate density ranges between about 1.2grams/cc to 1.35 grams/cc.

Your chocolate can be tested for density at our facility if you like, no obligation. Send us a sample and we would be happy to do that for you.

John Micelli

135 Dale Street

West Babylon, NY 11704

631-752-2888

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/16/14 04:25:23
754 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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it tells you a great deal, actually, but the most relevant bit for this discussion is that those beans haven't been particularly well fermented, and their fat will be low. In addition to being more bitter and less chocolate flavor wise, you'll need to compensate for the lower fat of the beans by adding more liquid cocoa butter to achieve proper viscosity.

David Menkes
@David Menkes
04/15/14 16:28:13
32 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Very interesting. So adding cocoa butter will keep viscosity down. How can you tell if you're grinding excessively?

Terry Wakefield
@Terry Wakefield
04/15/14 16:15:09
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Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Depending on what kind of grinder you are using, excessive grinding will exponentially increase the aggregate surface area of the particles in the chocolate. When this happens, there can be insufficient cocoa butter to fully coat all of the particles ---this results in a significant viscosity increase. As the viscosity increases, the amount of horsepower energy converted into heat goes up, driving up the temperature of the chocolate. Remember, when you measure micron size, you are just defining the largest particle in the chocolate --- all of the other particles are smaller than the micron measurement. Therefore, micron readings don't tell you anything about the particle size distribution. Excessive ground chocolate will also have a cloying sensation in the mouth as the very small particles actually plug up / get stuck in pores of the tongue.

David Menkes
@David Menkes
04/15/14 14:14:07
32 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Wow thank you so much for specific roasting times/temps!

Rodney Nikkels
@Rodney Nikkels
04/15/14 13:18:50
24 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Dear David,

The Conacado beans are normally well fermented but quite acidic. So you would need to roast them adequately and than grind them for the first 12 hours (we roast at 130 degrees C for around 45 minutes, using a ball roast). During this first stage additional heat could be added in order to reduce the acidity further. The cocoa mass than reaches a 75 degrees C. After this stage you can (should) add some extra cocoa butter (3-5%) and than add the sugar, grind for an extra 2 days and you'll have a super chocolate.

Best!

Rodney Nikkels

Larry2
@Larry2
04/15/14 12:45:13
110 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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I was curious about this as well.

I searched "purple cocoa bean quality" and found this useful page.

http://www.ccib.gov.tt/node/116

Fully purple bean is a bright purple colour, and may have the cheesy texture of slately beans. Such beans are insufficiently fermented and are rarely found when normal large - scale methods are properly used

Chirag Bhatia
@Chirag Bhatia
04/15/14 07:01:18
27 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Hi Sebastian,

after I read this, i got curious and cut 50 of the beans i have in half. Almost all of them are purple/purpilsh inside. i was wondering what this tells you about the beans

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/13/14 05:08:51
754 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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absolutely. I'll tell you right now however that adding lecithin will fix that problem. If you've got a philosophical against using lecithin, you're only solution is to add cocoa butter.

David Menkes
@David Menkes
04/12/14 11:09:46
32 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Right now it's literally just 70% roasted nibs and granulated sugar, added after 24 hours of grinding. Can you do a cut test on dried beans?

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/12/14 04:47:29
754 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Can you cut 50 of your beans in half and count how many are purplish tinted in color inside? Can you post your formula you're using, and are you using lecithin? If your recipe is simply 70% beans and 30% sugar, i'm guestimating your fat level is approximately 32% (but that's why i asked you to count purple beans, to help understand how fermented they are, which impacts fat level). At 32% fat - regardless of how well fermented your beans are - if you're not using an emulsifier - such as lecithin for example - i'm afraid your chocolate is going to be thick (viscous). If that's the case, i suggest adding 0.5% fluid lecithin a couple of hours after you've added the sugar.

Adrian Vermette
@Adrian Vermette
04/11/14 13:16:59
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Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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I would suggest The Science of Chocolate by Stephen T Beckett. Ithas a lot of useful information at a decent price.

It is my understanding that the longer you grind, the more fat is released from cocoa particles, which will reduce viscosity.Whether that applies to your case I have no idea, but perhaps 24 hours with such a small batch is too long,but that also depends ongetting a good bean and hitting theroast right.

David Menkes
@David Menkes
04/11/14 11:11:13
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Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Oh it doesn't dissolve?? Is there a good chemistry book that discusses the molecular structure of cacao? And speaking of books, is there a good resource for bean-to-bar chocolate making?

I'd seen this book but that's a pretty hefty price - I'll buy it if it's worth it though.

http://www.amazon.com/Production-Processing-Technology-Emmanuel-Afoakwa/dp/1466598239/

I'd heard about confectionery sugar having corn starch so I'm glad I'm using regular granulated sugar.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/11/14 10:59:17
1,690 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Okay - so it may look thin to you but if you had experience working with beans from 10 different origins you don't know where it fits relative to others.

Sugar doesn't dissolve, you're grinding the particles down. Yes, in a wet-mill style grinder pre-refining the sugar should reduce the amount of time required to finish grinding. If you purchase pre-refined sugar you must be sure that it contains no anti-caking agent; commercial confectionery sugar often has up to 3% corn or other starch in it and that's a no go when it comes to making chocolate.

David Menkes
@David Menkes
04/11/14 10:54:54
32 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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No, I'm not sure what the fat content is - I guess I'm going off of how thin the liquor is before I'm adding sugar. Thanks for the sugar tip and I'll take a look at buying cocoa butter to aid in the thickness problems I'm having. I'm also wondering if grinding with sugar included for less than 24 hours would help. Pre-ground sugar (like in a food processor like you suggested) shouldn't take all that long in the grinder to dissolve right?

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/11/14 10:44:59
1,690 posts

Bean to bar viscosity after adding sugar


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Yes, cocoa butter will thin it back down. When you say "quite a bit of cocoa butter in them naturally" do you know what the fat level is? Beans can range for 45-55% fat and the fat can have different hardnesses (melting points) so two beans with the same fat content might have different viscosities at different temperatures.

Limiting the number of variables makes sense to some extent but if, by eliminating a variable, you make the basic process much more difficult then I would add in the other variable - the added cocoa butter - so that at least processing and molding can proceed.

You might also check to make sure that the sugar is absolutely dry. One way to do that is to prerefine it in a food processor. If moisture starts to form on the lid then the sugar is not dry and the small amount of moisture in it could be binding with the chocolate, thickening it up.

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