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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/03/17 13:03:01
1,692 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

rroman:

What is a "normal" conching time with this?



How acidic are your beans / liquor?


Also, as Sebastian says you are going to want to heat the chocolate in the mixer and be able to control the temperature. And, having forced hot air is going to be a good idea.


The Kleego conche I helped develop for FBM can control the bowl temperature to 60C and the hot air (about 100 cubic meters/hour) up to 70C. It is vertical, has counter-rotating stirrers, and a pump to transfer chocolate from the bottom of the working bowl to the top so that all of the chocolate is processed. With the heat on high you can conche very acidic chocolates flat in under two hours. However, people tend to use them hot for a short period of time in the beginning and then cool things down when much of the acidic aroma has evaporated off. Typical conching times are under 2.5 hours for a 35kg batch. It has a melting capacity of 50kg and can also mix many recipes.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/03/17 12:54:50
1,692 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Sebastian:

Sorry guys, didn't see the updates until now.  I can't for the life of me figure out how to send you a pm here, perhaps you could message me and i'll give you my thoughts.

Sebastian - to reduce spam, you need to follow each other first.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/03/17 12:54:00
1,692 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Sebastian:

Rogerio - ah, cost is always an issue, no?  if i can get the messaging system to work i'll send you the name of a company that makes good small sized z blade mixers, they're not as conventional as you might think, but work well.

Sebastian: I think others might want to know!

crackedcitrine
@crackedcitrine
03/03/17 09:08:11
6 posts

How to make chocolate "softer"


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks for the tip gap, but is that advice geared more toward a milk chocolate rather than a dark chocolate?

A quick search says ghee has 0.5 - 1.0% water content. Is that low enough that you add it straight without the need for other additives like lecithin? I vaguely remember hearing chocolate is around that range, but I can't find it in writing at the moment.

Ash Maki
@Ash Maki
03/02/17 20:45:30
69 posts

F/S – FBM Unica and Kent three roll mill – CA


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi there,

We are changing directions a bit and are trying to sell a few different pieces of equipment...  

-----------

FBM Unica continuous tempering machine...

25kg working bowl capacity with full craft chocolate upgrade. This is a great machine that we would love to keep if we could. 

It is two years old and was minimally used for one of them. It is in excellent condition and a great buy for anyone ready to upgrade to one of the best machines in the industry.  

New this machine was available for 24k we are asking 18k obo.

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We also have a Kent three roll mill

This mill has 9" x 24" rolls and can grind down quite a bit of chocolate fast. . This machine is not ready for chocolate just yet but with very little work it can be. We got a great deal on it and changed directions before we got it grinding. Willing to pass the same deal onto some one that wants it. 13k  

________

We have a number of other craft chocolate making items and some great Beans for sale as well.

Please inquire via Email or Phone   -   info@starchildchocolate.com / 1-707-671-5778


updated by @Ash Maki: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Gap
@Gap
03/02/17 17:44:48
182 posts

How to make chocolate "softer"


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques


It's a bit intimidating after that comment from Sebastian, but . . .

I would suggest adding some anhydrous milk fat (AMF). Adding 2% will start to soften the chocolate, but 4% may be necessary. 

If you don't have access to AMF (it can be tricky to get hold of) you can substitute ghee (often available from supermarkets or Indian grocers).


updated by @Gap: 03/02/17 20:49:12
Peter3
@Peter3
03/02/17 15:02:09
86 posts

Precision Control Help! Cocoa Butter To Reduce Chocolate Viscosity...


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

JesNES:

By 1 percent Cocoa Butter, I assume you mean to add an amount of Cocoa Butter equal to the entire batch of chocolate, seed and all? For instance:

900 grams chocolate (including seed) + 9 grams of cocoa butter?

The tip regarding the lowering of the set point is very useful and will be tried if the state of the tempered Milk Chocolate begins to lose its luster with the addition of Cocoa Butter.

Correct on 900g + 9g of cocoa butter as approximation of 1%.

If you find the change of viscosity too much you may need to go to 0.5%.

You need to add the cocoa butter to hot chocolate and mix for 10-15 minutes.

JesNES
@JesNES
03/01/17 22:37:53
2 posts

Precision Control Help! Cocoa Butter To Reduce Chocolate Viscosity...


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

@peter3: Thank you for the reply and sound advice! That's actual a great basis for a starting experiment to test and calibrate the chocolate viscosity without too much wasted product (if any at all!)

By 1 percent Cocoa Butter, I assume you mean to add an amount of Cocoa Butter equal to the entire batch of chocolate, seed and all? For instance:

900 grams chocolate (including seed) + 9 grams of cocoa butter?

The tip regarding the lowering of the set point is very useful and will be tried if the state of the tempered Milk Chocolate begins to lose its luster with the addition of Cocoa Butter.

Peter3
@Peter3
03/01/17 17:39:29
86 posts

Precision Control Help! Cocoa Butter To Reduce Chocolate Viscosity...


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

The whole matter of viscosity control of tempered chocolate is very complex and many pages could be written on the subject.

You could try a much simpler approach.

If you are happy with the temper of the milk chocolate keep the tempering machine settings.

You can use a disposable plastic knife (something with repeatable shape and weight) and dip it in the tempered dark chocolate (use 10 pieces to get good average), measure and record weights.

Add 1% of cocoa butter (by weight) to your milk chocolate, temper and dip the plastic knives, measure, record compare.

Keep increasing the cocoa butter by 1% until you get the same weights.

You can scrape the chocolate from plastic knives, melt and reuse.

I would guess 1-3% should do the trick.

You may need to drop your cooling temperature set point on the tempering machine if your temper is getting worse. 

Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/01/17 16:19:32
754 posts

How to make chocolate "softer"


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I'm going to refrain from answering as a challenge to those who have been taught this answer.  Yes, consider this a pop quiz 8-)

crackedcitrine
@crackedcitrine
03/01/17 12:25:02
6 posts

How to make chocolate "softer"


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques


I'm still fairly new to making chocolate and extremely low volume, so please forgive any lack of proper terminology. And thank you to everyone that's already helped me tremendously as I read through older posts here.

I'm getting feedback that my 65% dark chocolate bars are too "hard", meaning they take too much effort to bite through, and even breaking the bars apart takes a significant amount of effort. I thought this was normal (many of the commercial bars in that 65% range seem similar) until I found a bar from my very first bean to bar batch from almost a year ago, and it is significantly easier to bite through.

My only recipe so far for bean to bar is for a 65% dark, using 35% sugar, 60% winnowed nibs, 5% cocoa butter (no lecithin since I haven't needed it for viscosity reasons). Assuming 50% cocoa butter in the nibs, that gives me a total cocoa butter content of 35%. My batch size is around 2.5 pounds, running in a home-sized Premier tilting melanger for about 36 hours (I haven't intentionally experimented with different grinding times yet - variation is purely a matter of convenience). The bars go into the refrigerator for 10-15 minutes until they start pulling away from the molds. They are removed from the molds and sit at room temp 15-60 minutes before packaging. They are stored in a wine refrigerator at about 60 degrees F.

My first batch seems like it is grittier, so maybe I didn't grind it as long, and maybe that's why it is softer. It was also a different bean source, and probably a much lighter roast.

I've considered the possibility that I'm overtempering, but I'm not finding detailed advice on how to check for that other than "once the melted chocolate starts to thicken" (I can recognize and correct that) or using an expensive temper meter.

Any advice on how to create easier to eat chocolate?

Thanks,
David


updated by @crackedcitrine: 04/11/25 09:27:36
JesNES
@JesNES
02/28/17 16:24:01
2 posts

Precision Control Help! Cocoa Butter To Reduce Chocolate Viscosity...


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello fellow chocolatiers! This is my first post here at this amazing website (which I've used to garner information from delving into prior forum posts a great many a time). Seeing as I had a somewhat specific question for which I couldn't find an adequate answer, I've decided to ask you, the experts, directly!

Here's the deal: My buddy and I, we like to hand-dip pretzels into chocolate which is tempered using a Chocovision Tempering Unit. We track data on the pretzels in order to learn about how time and type of chocolate can affect the coating that is applied to the pretzel itself.

When using a pretty high grade Dark Chocolate (from Germany), the chocolate tends to be of low thickness; viscosity, creating a coating on each pretzel of about 2.00 grams (with fluctuation from human-error in the hand-dipping process, of course.) This tends to work out fine, as we generally can finish our batch in a reasonable time before the chocolate thickens to the point of creating too gaudy of a coating.

We are currently now working on a Milk Chocolate coating from the great land of Norway (Freia, if you've heard of or tried it). Regardless of brand, we knew that Milk Chocolate would be a bit more difficult to work with due to its more viscous nature. After dipping and collecting the results, the average coating fell into the territory of around 3.11 grams; a more than 50 percent increase.

We have heard that adding cocoa butter to a batch will decrease its viscosity without too much hindrance to flavor or appearance (which we've also heard it can be a boon to...in that it can help temper the chocolate possibly!) So...

Questions!

1) We are fairly satisfied with the Dark Chocolate's viscosity, which again, yields an average coating on each pretzel of about 2.00 grams. With the Milk Chocolate's average coating of 3.11 grams, and an average batch size of 900 grams of chocolate, how much cocoa butter would you recommend adding to the Milk Chocolate to lower its viscosity to equal to that of the Dark Chocolate (recalling that the Milk Chocolate seems to be 50 percent more viscous, if the amount of coating were the judge.)

2) Is there a particular brand or type of cocoa butter one should purchase if its sole use was for lowering the viscosity of specifically Milk Chocolate?

Thank all of you in advance for any and all advice that you can provide; It is very much appreciated! May I also wish you a great day // night, whichever may apply!

-JesNES


updated by @JesNES: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Potomac Chocolate
@Potomac Chocolate
02/28/17 08:13:22
191 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I've never used one, so I don't know.  :)

rroman
@rroman
02/28/17 07:57:33
4 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

What is a "normal" conching time with this?

thechocolateyogi
@thechocolateyogi
02/28/17 03:18:41
3 posts

Molding a bar with inclusions


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Clay,

I hope all good with you.  We are having a major issue at our chocolate factory at the moment and am feeling a bit desperate.  It is a small factory, and we just upgraded from a Selmi One to an FBM Unica with dosing head and line, which I heard about from The Chocolate Life.  

The problem is that we were told that it would dose with inclusions up to 7mm and 10% inclusions in the chocolate.  Our inclusions are under 5mm (we use a colander to make sure) and 5% inclusions in the chocolate and the dosing head works for less than 30 seconds before it gets blocked.  We spent $30,000UAUD on this machine because we thought it would make us more efficient, yet two thirds of our bars have inclusions, and we are finding that it is faster to hand mould the ones with inclusions (we have tried sprinkling them in by hand as we go with the moulding line and it is taking ages).  Sorry to rant, but I know you really believe in FBM and have a lot of experience with their machines, so I thought maybe you could help us in some way?  It is really damaging our business, we are weeks behind on orders because of these issues.  We are in contact with FBM, but we have tried everything they suggested and it doesn't work, so are feeling at a loss.  Any ideas welcome.  Thanks for your time.

rroman
@rroman
02/28/17 02:19:16
4 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I am interested in a z-blade mixer but don't know where to start looking. Can someone help me out with a company that makes them. I would prefer somewhere in China since the tax would be cheaper for me.

and, how long does it usually take a z-blade mixer to conche?

rroman
@rroman
02/28/17 00:57:07
4 posts

What conche for roll refiners?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I am interested in a z-blade mixer but don't know where to start looking. Can someone help me out with a company that makes them. I would prefer somewhere in China since the tax would be cheaper for me

Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
02/25/17 22:06:50
194 posts

Ganache, Water Activity, and Alcohol


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You are certainly more up-to-date than I am:)

Jim Dutton
@Jim Dutton
02/25/17 10:19:39
76 posts

Ganache, Water Activity, and Alcohol


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Ruth,

I think AquaLab is/was the name for certain models of Decagon devices, so I should have referred to Decagon. In any event, that info is out of date because, in my recent email exchange with the company, this note was included at the end:

We are excited to let you know that we have changed our name from Decagon Devices/AquaLab to METER Group Inc.  All content will gradually migrate to our new website at METERgroup.com.  The current website www.aqualab.com will be available for the foreseeable future.

Jim

Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
02/25/17 08:08:18
194 posts

Ganache, Water Activity, and Alcohol


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Jim, I think Pawkit is made by Decagon rather than AquaLab, not that it makes any difference in the answer.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/24/17 19:58:13
754 posts

Ganache, Water Activity, and Alcohol


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

There you go.  There are many different makes/models out there - towards the turn of the century is when the technology to differentiate/compensate began to be used, but not everyone chose to include it in every model.  Know thy model and it's limitations 8-)

The Slow Melt
@The Slow Melt
02/24/17 17:15:49
5 posts

A podcast about chocolate: The Slow Melt


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)


Hi Chocolate Lifers!

I wanted to make sure you all know about The Slow Melt podcast. Hosted, written and created by author and journalist Simran Sethi, with guests including farmers, conservationists, manufacturers, tasting experts, scientists, social justice advocates, chocolate purveyors and, of course, award-winning chocolate makers.

Listen to the first 3 episodes on our website and please share if so moved. We welcome your feedback!

https://theslowmelt.com/


updated by @The Slow Melt: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Jim Dutton
@Jim Dutton
02/24/17 13:37:46
76 posts

Ganache, Water Activity, and Alcohol


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

An update:  

I wrote to AquaLab asking about the issue of volatiles (such as alcohol) in the sample being measured and got this reply:

"The statement [included in my previous message] was quoted from the 4TE manual that used the chilled mirror sensor. I've attached the link to the manual, this statement is on page 51 section 8.4."

I replied to them, asking specifically:  "But does the statement also apply to the Pawkit, meaning that it too may not give accurate readings with high amounts of volatiles in the sample?"

And the reply to that was:  "Not at all James. Pawkit uses the capacitance sensor, there is not a chilled mirror on the Pawkit. Our Series 4TEV instrument uses the same sensor as the Pawkit."

Kristofer Kalas
@Kristofer Kalas
02/24/17 09:52:06
9 posts

If given the option between a 3 phase and a single phase temperer/enrober which is the better choice


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Clay Gordon:

The 3-phase machine will be more energy efficient when compared with a single-phase machine, and because of the way they are built, 3-phase motors are likely to be more robust than single-phase motors. A 3-phase machine could also potentially be less expensive than a single-phase machine.

This assumes that the location you are in has 3-phase 220V power installed.

If it does (and you have the space in your panel) - it always makes sense to go for the 3-phase machine. If you do not have 3-phase installed, it is almost always cheaper to go with a single-phase machine than to either a) get 3-phase installed, or b) get a rotary phase converter.

Getting 3-phase installed can cost tens of thousands of dollars and take months and months and is often (in my experience) up to the whim of the local electric company. While it might be nice to use a static phase converter, because of the changing reactive loads in the tempering machine (compressor, heaters, stop/start of motors), a static phase converter is not the best choice. Rotary phase converters can easily cost well over $1000 (depending on the loads in the tempering machine) which is lots of kilowatt hours of electricity. So - you have to weigh the lifetime savings cost against the CapEx of the phase converter.

Note that you do have to let your equipment supplier know in advance which you need - as the power cord used to connect to the supply will be different. The cord in a 3-phase machine will have four wires, whereas a single-phase machine will have just three wires, and you need to wire the plug, socket, and panel accordingly. Because code.

You can always connect a single-phase machine to a 3-phase panel, the reverse is not true.

Clay, were one to run a single phase and three phase tempering machine side by side, would you expect to see any difference in operation? 

As you say 'robust' and 'energy efficient,' are we only discussing the cost of electricity and length of life in the motor? Or is the usage affected in some other way? 

Inoxa
@Inoxa
02/24/17 06:26:17
14 posts

Selmi machines


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I replaced mine directly from the manufacturer in Italy.

see below.

good luck

Cecilia Garozzo garozzo@venanzettivibrazioni.it

VENANZETTI VIBRAZIONI MILANO srl SOCIO UNICO

Via Ghiarola Nuova 22

41042 Fiorano modenese (MO)

Tel.: 0536/832300

Fax : 0536/910462

www.venanzettivibrazioni.com

LeonaAllen
@LeonaAllen
02/24/17 04:50:06
3 posts

too much cream in a caramel


Posted in: Recipes

I don't think that adding too much cream will affect your dish, but it will add more rich taste. I am also a very big fan of caramel and chocolate and try different varieties of dishes at home. Recently, while surfing on the internet I came across a blog here , which have many chocolate desserts. I always follow such kind of blogs for making deserts so that I don't get confused while making the dish.

Jim Dutton
@Jim Dutton
02/23/17 19:14:59
76 posts

Ganache, Water Activity, and Alcohol


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Sebastian,

You said "as long as the Aw meter was made after 1999, that is, after which point they began including compensation to correct for the fact that volatiles such as ethanol impact the humidity and the humidity sensor."

On eGullet I posted on what I learned from your previous statements on alcohol and aW. Were you referring to any specific models of meters? I ask because I received a reply from Kerry Beal (she and I both have the Pawkit from AquaLabs) stating "A standard dew point  Aw meter without special filters doesn't recognize the Aw lowering effect of alcohol. From the Aqua Lab manual - ‟Samples with a high amount of volatiles condense on the mirror during the reading process, but do not evaporate from the mirror as water does. As a result the reading on samples with volatiles may not be accurate with the dew point technique.

I would like to clear up the apparent discrepancy.

Chocotoymaker
@Chocotoymaker
02/23/17 18:38:41
55 posts

The US FDA Small Business Exemption from Nutrition Labeling: Who Qualifies?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Clay,

      Where did you find this portion of the info ? I followed the link to the FDA website, but must have overlooked where they discuss " the size of the packaging" 

 " However, if the total is over 100,000 then each size of the product needs a nutrition facts panel — unless the total area is less than 12 sq in, in which case you need to indicate, on the label, a way for the customer to get the information should they so desire" 

     Thank you

  Best

 

oods in packages with available label space of less than 12 square inches (e.g. pack of gum),   provided that   the label provides a means for consumers to obtain nutrition information (e.g., address, phone number). However, if a nutrition or health claim is made, a nutrition label   must   be provided. - See more at: https://www.thechocolatelife.com/community/forums/new_posts/18353/the-us-fda-small-business-exemption-from-nutrition-labeling-who-qualifies#sthash.r2ukxLQn.dpuf

However, if the total is over 100,000 then each size of the product needs a nutrition facts panel — unless the total area is less than 12 sq in, in which case you need to indicate, on the label, a way for the customer to get the information should they so desire. - See more at: https://www.thechocolatelife.com/community/forums/new_posts/18353/the-us-fda-small-business-exemption-from-nutrition-labeling-who-qualifies#sthash.ym6hZNmG.dpuf
Emils Gustavs
@Emils Gustavs
02/21/17 06:23:31
6 posts

Selmi machines


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE


Hy,

Can some one please tell me what brand does Selmi uses for vibration motors ? 


updated by @Emils Gustavs: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Robyn Dochterman
@Robyn Dochterman
02/19/17 17:16:11
23 posts

Trip Report: Winter 2017 Fancy Food Show


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Thanks for being our eyes and ears on the show floor, Clay!

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
02/19/17 14:59:49
1,692 posts

Yes, Virginia, There is Such a Thing as White Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion


There is a persistent belief that white chocolate isn’t actually chocolate. Few places serve to perpetuate this myth more than the twin temples of the Internet: Twitter and Facebook.

The most commonly mentioned argument raised in any discussion of whether white chocolate is or is not chocolate is that it doesn’t contain any cocoa solids — what’s left over after the fat (cocoa butter) is removed from the paste made of ground up cocoa nib. Even though white chocolate does contain cocoa butter, somehow it’s not chocolate.

Let me set the record straight for anyone and everyone: white chocolate is chocolate. Really. Legally. This is not an alternative fact and it’s not subject to interpretation or subject to your personal feelings about taste or texture.

The proof can be found in Title 21, Volume 1, Subchapter B, Part 163 Section 124 (21.163.124) of the US Code of Federal Regulations, which contains the definitions (also called standards of identity) for Cacao Products. The very fact that there is a specific section in CFR 21.163 defining what white chocolate is should be all the proof anyone needs to realize that white chocolate is really chocolate.

§163.124 lays out the rules for what ingredients can - and can’t be - in a cacao product for it to be legally labeled as white chocolate. If a product conforms to the specifications listed in §163.124 it can be called white chocolate. Conversely, if it does not meet the definition it cannot be called white chocolate.

That naming bit is explicitly spelled out in CFR 21.163.124.6.C. Nomenclature: The name of the food is “white chocolate.” 

There are no ifs, ands, or buts. §163.124 is the definition for white chocolate and it is not open to second guessing.

Unfortunately, there is no entry in Snopes on this topic (though I have brought it to their attention), for those who are still skeptical.

You may not like it. You may not agree with it. But you are wrong if you persist in your belief that white chocolate is not chocolate. The only way around this is to change the law.

Ironically, most people don’t know that there is actually no legal definition for dark chocolate. What is referred to as “dark” chocolate falls into the category of “sweet” chocolate (§163.123). Unknown to most, §163.123 allows sweet chocolates to contain dairy ingredients, including:

  • Cream, milkfat, butter;
  • Milk, concentrated milk, evaporated milk, sweetened condensed milk, dried milk;
  • Skim milk, concentrated skim milk, evaporated skim milk, sweetened condensed skim milk, nonfat dry milk;
  • Concentrated buttermilk, dried buttermilk; and
  • Malted milk.

And, just to make things even crazier, there is no formal legal distinction between semisweet and bittersweet chocolate.

Take a look at the front label on a bar of Hershey’s Special Dark® (45% cocoa content) Chocolate. You will notice that “Special Dark” is a trademarked term. Elsewhere on the front label you will find the phrase “mildly sweet chocolate.” This is to let regulators and inspectors know which section of CFR 21.163 the chocolate falls into. If you take a look at the ingredients list you will find milk fat and lactose (milk). Lactose is a milk sugar.

I am not making these things up. Go look them up for yourself. All of the above information about white chocolate is objectively factual. It has nothing to do with taste or quality, or whether you like it or not, §163.124 covers what can, and can’t, be in white chocolate as well as legally naming foods that conform to the regulation.

I won’t disagree with the observation that a lot of white chocolate is not worth the calories. What determines the quality of a white chocolate is the quality of the ingredients. What most people are thinking of when the think of white chocolate is the cheapest form of white chocolate imaginable, or a chocolate-like white-ish substance where some or all of the cocoa butter is replaced by another fat.

I agree. Ick.

Much of the appeal of white chocolate is the texture. Because there are no non-fat solids (the brown part), white chocolate is basically just smooth sweet fat. As a species, homo sapiens is genetically programmed to crave sugar and fat. When you add the experience of the way chocolate melts in the mouth, you have the potential for a perfect edible trifecta.

I can tell you from personal experience that white chocolates made with undeodorized cocoa butter (cocoa butter that has not had the flavor and aroma chemicals removed) will change your mind about white chocolate. They did mine.

I can tell you from personal experience that white chocolates made with exceptional dairy will also change your mind - assuming you are open to the possibility. Try white chocolate made with goat milk. Or white chocolate made with full-cream dairy produced by cows eating tender grass growing in sun-drenched alpen glades in early Spring and undeodorized cocoa butter.

But please don’t judge all white chocolate based on your {{ shudder }} experience with drug store easter bunnies.

In closing:

  • Yes, there is such a thing as white chocolate.
  • Be open-minded: don’t assume every white chocolates sucks just because the ones you’ve eaten suck.
  • Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet. (But you can believe this.)

updated by @Clay Gordon: 05/08/17 14:09:13
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
02/19/17 12:11:48
1,692 posts

The US FDA Small Business Exemption from Nutrition Labeling: Who Qualifies?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Mitch -

The regulations acknowledge that creating nutrition fact panels and designing packaging to accommodate them can be an onerous financial burden for small businesses, especially if they have lots of different products, each in different sizes.

Sebastian's lowering barriers to entry and complexity for startups and small companies are aspects of what I refer to as onerous burden.

The NLEA was enacted back in 1995. The tools to calculate the nutritional components of foods has improved a lot since then and the cost of generating the panels has come way down. There are now online services that will generate nutrition fact panels based on recipes you upload for $20 or less each.

So, I don't see that costs associated with generating the nutrition facts panel can be called onerous in this day and age, for many startup and small chocolate makers. 

If a chocolate maker has been in the market selling for a couple of years, I have trouble buying into the complexity argument as well. As I mentioned in the original post, if the recipes are substantially similar, a single label could be used for many products.

That said, if I were a confectioner with dozens and dozens of different pieces, some seasonal maybe never to be produced again, and which are produced in the low hundreds or thousands each, the complexity argument is very much in force and the economic argument becomes more compelling. In this case I don't see a problem with filing for the exemption if the company is eligible.

One possible motivation to consider is branding for a company whose packaging aesthetic is a large part of their appeal. Nutrition fact panels are ugly and putting one on the label (even on the back!) would interfere with the company's carefully crafted corporate identity. I personally do not buy that as a legitimate excuse.

Again, the operative point here - as I read it, and remember that I am not a lawyer - is that if you qualify for the exemption you must file for it to be in compliance with the law.

mitch
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02/19/17 08:43:11
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The US FDA Small Business Exemption from Nutrition Labeling: Who Qualifies?


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What is the motivation for a business seeking to avoid having a nutrition label?

Virgilio Rubini
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Looking to buy chocolate spinners


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Hey Clay

Located in Montreal Canada

Can pickup anywhere in North America

Thanks

Virgil

Clay Gordon
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Looking to buy chocolate spinners


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Where are you located? How many arms?

Virgilio Rubini
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Looking to buy chocolate spinners


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Thanks.


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Virgilio Rubini
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Chocolate drizzling machine with melter


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Large capacity chocolate or glaze drizzling / enrobing machine and chocolate melting tank. Was ordered for a project/ product line that was cancelled and was never used all stainless steel construction

$9500 obo 


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Virgilio Rubini
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F/S - Perfect melting and tempering unit with PUMP. (Custom built)


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Pulled from a production line. Fully operational.

Water double jacketed, stainless steel, unit. 

Includes PUMP. Manufactured by Perfect Equipment.

Asking 4,500 usd. obo. 


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Virgilio Rubini
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FS / Wheel melters (Perfect) with two vibrating table.


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REVISED PRICE 8K USD - SHIPPING INCLUDED FOR ALL EAST COAST CLIENTS.

150Kg (330lbs) wheel tempering equipment. 
Model Air-15 - 110V - 60Hz, 15A/w, 1ph, in °F 
Includes vibrating table. 

Equipment in mint condition. 


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Clay Gordon
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The US FDA Small Business Exemption from Nutrition Labeling: Who Qualifies?


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Recently, after seeing a photo of a Dick Taylor bar with a nutrition facts panel on it, I posted on Facebook asking how a company the size of the Mast Bros could possibly still qualify for a small business exemption from the 1990 Nutrition Labeling and Education Act (NLEA). With sales reportedly topping US$10M, a new 65,000sf factory under construction in the Brooklyn Navy Yards in NYC, a retail store in Williamsburg, a factory/store in the Arts District in Los Angeles, and who knows how many employees … how could the Mast Bros still be considered a small business?

As I learned after spending many hours poring over the regulations and reaching out to colleagues trying to make sense of the regulations, I learned that they probably do qualify for labeling exemptions for many, if not all of the products they make. I also learned that most small chocolate makers and confectioners are not filing for the exemption - and probably should be .

Disclaimer : IANAL - I am not a lawyer. This is my interpretation of the regulations. The analysis following should   not   be relied upon as reliable legal advice. You should consult a lawyer with experience with FDA labeling regulations. There are separate guidelines for foreign firms importing food products. Consult a lawyer.

Can YOU Qualify for a Small Business Nutrition Labeling Exemption?


Yes, Virginia, you are on the fast track to qualification if your company is incorporated in the US and it has an annual   average   of fewer than 100 FTE (full time equivalent) employees.

Any food company with an annual average of fewer than 100 FTE employees (seasonal employment can be higher) can claim an exemption for any product that is produced a)   in small quantities   and b)   as long as   the label: 1) does not contain any nutrition information;   and , 2) does not make a health or nutrient/nutrition claim.

If a product fails either of the above two numbered tests, a nutrition label is   mandatory – with   only one   exception [from the regulations]:

Foods in packages with available label space of less than 12 square inches (e.g. pack of gum),   provided that   the label provides a means for consumers to obtain nutrition information (e.g., address, phone number). However, if a nutrition or health claim is made, a nutrition label   must   be provided.

Statements such as “organic,” “sugar-free,” “gluten-free,” “dairy-free,” “soy-free,” and “non-GMO” are not likely to be considered health or nutrient/nutrition claims – but that depends on how they are worded. Sugar-free claims are subject to separate regulations. Statements such as “heart-healthy,” “high-fiber,” and “low-calorie” are likely to be construed as being either a nutrient content or health claim and would by definition require a nutrition facts panel on the label. It is not clear whether “paleo” (don’t get me started on how chocolate can possibly be considered paleo) or “raw” can be construed as a health claim, again it depends on wording. Consult a lawyer with experience in this area if you have any doubt.

What’s next?

Your company has fewer than 100 FTE employees and you are not making any nutrition, nutrient, of health claims on the label. There is just one more question to consider: what does the NLEA mean by “small quantities?”

The NLEA defines small quantities as “under 100,000 units   of ‘the same product’   sold in the same twelve-month period.” If you mold “the same” chocolate into (for example) bars in 5gr, 50gr, and 100gr sizes, you add up the total of all the different sizes and if the number is less than 100,000 then that product meets the quantity requirements for a nutrition labeling exemption.

However, if the total is over 100,000 then each size of the product needs a nutrition facts panel — unless the total area is less than 12 sq in, in which case you need to indicate, on the label, a way for the customer to get the information should they so desire.

Assuming your company and product(s) meet all the above tests, notice   must   be filed annually   with FDA   to be in compliance with the NLEA. There is only   one   exception:

Firms with fewer than 10 employees with sales of less than 10,000 units/product do not have to apply to FDA for an exemption.

Counting to 100,000 — the fine print

The above points seem straightforward … but one offers some wiggle room. The 100,000-unit number for a product refers to [taken from the regulations]:

A product includes all package sizes that are manufactured by a single manufacturer or which bears the same brand name, which has the same statement of identity, and has   a similar preparation method .  

In considering whether products have similar preparation methods, consider all steps that go into the preparation of the products, from the initial formulation steps to any finishing steps; for example,   products with different ingredients would be considered different food products and counted separately in determining the number of units.

But ... what do “different ingredients” and “similar preparation methods” (or,  recipe ) mean? This is where interpretation comes into play.

  1. One way to interpret the guidelines would be to say that “all bars with 70% total cocoa content and with an ingredients list that consists of ‘cocoa beans, sugar’ and that are processed entirely in a melangeur” are   the same product   (or recipe; similar preparation methods and similar ingredient lists). This is   probably how an inspector would view things.
  2. Another way to interpret the guidelines would be to say that “all bars with a 70% total cocoa content and with an ingredients list that consists of ‘cocoa beans, sugar’ and that are processed entirely in a melangeur” are   not   same recipe   if   the beans   are from different origins . The question is, “Are cocoa beans from Nicaragua the same ingredient as cocoa beans from Colombia?” Probably.   But maybe not .

It’s not all that hard to get to a count of 100,000 if your interpretation of “recipe” is broad – the approach suggested in 1) above. Assuming only 50gr bars are being molded, 100,000, 70% bars comes out to be less than 5MT of beans.

However, if you do have to put a nutrition facts panel on the label, with the broad interpretation in 1) you can use   the same   nutrition facts panel for every product that has a similar preparation method and the same ingredients. This reduces the cost of compliance significantly.

Because of the ambiguity of the regulations it   is possible to argue that beans of different origins are different ingredients; they have different fat levels and macronutrient contents. (It might also be possible to claim that using a melangeur and using a ball mill and roll mill are different preparation methods within the meaning of the regulations.)

For every product with a different recipe – and this does mean inclusions or flavorings and could include equipment/method – a labeling exemption could be claimed. This is the narrow interpretation in 2) above, which could, theoretically, be used to keep product counts below 100,000.

The narrow interpretation in 2) has not been tested that I know of, and the distinction is likely never to be something that would be of interest to the FDA.

However, as was pointed out, it is likely that a regulator or inspector would consider any liquor to be the same ingredient as long as the macronutrient content was within allowable limits–tending toward the interpretation in 1). That said, with adequate record keeping in place to document segregation of ingredients and processes, it might be possible to successfully argue the case that liquors made with beans from different origins were different ingredients. Ask a lawyer before going down this path.

Top Line Summary and Conclusions


Again, I am not a lawyer so please do not rely on this interpretation should you be inspected. Consult a lawyer before you decide what, or what not, to do.

  1. If your company is eligible for the labeling exemption you must apply for it to be in compliance with the NLEA.
  2. Your company  must   file for an exemption   for each year and for each product   for which you want to claim the exemption,   unless   you have fewer than 10 FTE employees and sell fewer than 10,000 units of a product.
  3. If your company has more than 10 FTE employees, is making more than 10,000 and fewer than 100,000 units of any product in a twelve-month period, and has fewer than 100 FTE employees and is not making health or nutrition/nutrient claims on the label,  the products that are manufactured in under 100,000 unit quantities are eligible for a labeling exemption.
  4. If your company has fewer than 100 FTE employees, you can have a mix of products that do and do not qualify for the exemption. However, your company  must   file for the labeling exemption   each year and for each product that qualifies for the exemption .

Going back to the original question: assuming the Mast Bros have fewer than 100 FTE employees, it is possible for them to claim a small business labeling exemption for many, if not all, products they make. It all depends on how they count to 100,000.

That said, it is my sincere hope that every chocolate maker will see the wisdom in providing this information somewhere, if not on the label then on their web site, in the box when shipping direct, and to their retailers. I don’t know where the cut-off should be - $500k in annual sales? – but I’d like to see small makers adopt the business discipline and responsibility and put nutrition facts panels on their labels even if they are not required to by law.

Notes

On a related labeling point, if you are using cocoa beans with less than 50% fat you cannot legally call your product chocolate as the regulations for cocoa liquor require 50% minimum fat content. From my reading (again, IANAL), even if you added cocoa butter to get to the 50% minimum, your chocolate would still not legally qualify as chocolate because the definition applies to the liquor. This is not something a small maker is likely to ever get called on, it’s just something to be aware of. (CFR 21 Sub-part B §163.111, Chocolate liquor.)

In addition to the nutrition label, products may display certain nutrition information or health claims on packaging. Health claims are only allowed by the FDA for "eight diet and health relationships based on proven scientific evidence", including: calcium and osteoporosis, fiber-containing grain products, fruits and vegetables and cancer, fruits, vegetables, and grain products that contain fiber—particularly soluble fiber—and the risk of coronary heart disease, fat and cancer, saturated fat and cholesterol and coronary heart disease, sodium and hypertension, and folate and neural tube defects.

Paleo food labels and advertisements are no exception to these rules. Companies that advertise the health benefits of Paleo foods must ensure their claims are not misleading to consumers and any claims they make are backed by appropriate scientific support. At the same time, companies should beware of making negative claims about the potential “detriments” of non-Paleo foods (e.g., that dairy, soy or corn products are unhealthy), which could attract unwanted negative attention or legal action from those industries. [Note: By extension, claims made for raw would be subject to this logic.]

Sources


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