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ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
06/08/08 14:31:37
251 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Brady on AmedeiAs far as the Amedei characteristic, alot of people describe it as raisin and or licorice (which is probably your Twizzler taste). I always describe it is as wine or mild rum. That's just what I get everytime, but I would assume what I call the wine/rum notes is the raisin everyone else gets. Other people describe their characteristic trait as dried fruits/figs.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
06/08/08 14:30:24
251 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

AmedeiAll 8 of the Amedei's that I've tasted also have a distinctive characteristic. They've become my favorite maker. How would you describe their common traits?As a neophyte I feel like I can only dance around it but not nail it. I'd call it something like malt, hay, caramel. There's even something that I can only compare to the aftertaste of Twizzler's black licorice. (Is it OK to compare such a majestic chocolate to something as plebeian as Twizzler's?)
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
06/08/08 14:29:48
251 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Scharffen BergerAll of the 7 Scharffen Berger bars that I've tasted have had a very distinctive dominant taste. but I'm such a novice that I don't know how to describe it. The best I can do is "red wine" or "red fruit" like raspberry or red grape. How would you describe this taste?
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
06/08/08 14:01:32
251 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

This is a good start, but the most important item I'd like to see would be descriptions of "Characteristic taste"."Characterisitc style" would also be good to have. It could be a bit more comprehensive and could include items such as appearance of the squares, texture, mouthfeel, artistry of packaging, cost...When the field names are finalized I'll add this to my own Chocolate database and keep track of the info, as I have time.So here are the current fields I've got. (The names can be changed if there are better terms.)CompanyCountry:Ingredients:Roast:Conching time:Fermentation:Characteristic taste:Characteristic style:Misc:
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
06/08/08 12:46:36
251 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Has anyone ever invited Hans-Peter Rot to join TCL? I enjoy his reviews on seventypercent.com
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/21/08 20:38:49
1,696 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Here's the link to the first page of the series of articles on house chocolate styles Brady refers to.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/29/08 09:58:51
1,696 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Brady:All of these are very good concerns. I do not plan to implement OpenRecord exactly as it is; in fact I probably won't use the software at all. What I will do is use it as a template to create something that does what we need it to do. For example, I would want the software to integrate with the NingID sign-on, so that you would not have to use another password and I could give interested ChocolateLife members administrative privileges to that application.I also want to make it prettier to look at (make it seem to be like a natural part of TheChocolateLife and not something completely alien) and I have no intention of putting Google ads anywhere. (In fact, I plan to remove the Google ads from this site when it starts generating revenue through book and chocolate sales.)Search is high on my list as is a "suggestion" facility. A forum could easily be created by creating another "page" within the application (like the "suggestions" in the demo for the book club only a little more sophisticated.In fact, if I could figure out a way to import all of the content from this site, I could probably do a complete social network using a tool like this with the correct pages and plug-ins.:: Clay
Brady
@Brady
03/28/08 20:29:51
42 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Clay:I viewed the openrecord demo. I trust your judgement on this since I'm not familiar with other software. I think it would work and seems simple enough to use for everyone. It's not all that attractive but I think it would do well to serve the main purpose of organizing data and possibly linking it to other databases (such as Sera's Chocolate Slotting Mapping). I have a feeling the dead space will be filled with google ads. I find that distracting. And on a page that is all white and set up more like a spreadsheet, it might even be uninviting enough that people wouldn't participate. Just a thought. I realize it's free software. With The Chocolate Life site itself, you have color, photos and a background. Would this be implemented to make it more appealing for use and would you still feel like you are working within The Chocolate Life site? I hope I'm not out weighing visual appearance over functionality. Also, how much can people overwrite and change the original format? Can the database essentially be hijacked and transformed into something different than the original database? A couple of functions I'd ideally like to see, but not sure if it's worth the effort at this point. 1. A "search" feature. 2. A forum attached or linked so that people could make requests and discuss content.Brady
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/26/08 07:59:25
1,696 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Brady:I ran across the following piece of software that looks like it might be a perfect way to implement this. Please take a look at the following screencast to see if it looks like that to you. http://openrecord.org/screencast.html If you think it might work, I will do what I can to download it and install it as a sub-domain of TheChocolateLife.com (e.g., chocolatemakers.thechocolatelife.com AND chocolatiers.thechocolatelife.com) and we can figure out how to structure the content before making it available to everyone.:: Clay
Brady
@Brady
03/21/08 18:59:15
42 posts

Comparing the styles of Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Tasting Notes

For a chocolate connoisseur or an aspiring one, I think a study of the styles of individual chocolate companies is very useful. A few years ago, a website called The Nibble, provided a tour by Peter Rot, called 'The World's Great Gourmet Chocolate Producers'. It was a comparison of how each differed in style. I was very impressed with this 2 part tour (written in 2005 and 2006).I'm hoping Chocolate Life members would like to create a database of the styles or characteristics of bean to bar chocolate producers. A similar database would be useful for those who produce bon bons and truffles but I'd prefer to keep the database's in separate discussions.I'll start with a couple that I have on my list as an example of what I have in mind. Any corrections to my listings are welcome as well as improvements in how to document the styles.BonnatCountry: FranceIngredients: no lecithin, no vanilla, extra cocoa butterRoast: darkConching time:Fermentation:Misc:DomoriCountry: ItalyIngredients: no lecithin, no vanillaRoast: darkConching time: shortFermentation:Misc:GuittardCountry: USAIngredients: less cocoa butterRoast:Conching time: shortFermentation:Misc:
updated by @Brady: 04/10/15 03:25:22
Jeff
@Jeff
04/11/08 15:31:13
94 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

Thank you all!Tonight is "Guys Night" where a local brewer is bringing 3 of his better ales, porters and stouts to pair with a few select flavors. Should be fun and if it ends up like last night's "Ladies Night" - a wine and chocolate event we did where at one point there were 200 wild women on wine and chocolate in my store at one time- its should prove be quite the night. I doubt I will get as many lascivious propositions from the guys......... but you never know....
Holly & Paul Stabin
@Holly & Paul Stabin
04/11/08 14:31:07
8 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

Congratulations Jeff! Much success and fulfillment of dreams to you!
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/11/08 10:18:13
1,696 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

Jeff:Congratulations on the opening and the success you deserve through all of the hard work and dedication to vision and craft you've displayed over the years. I remember when you first got in touch and sent me the first samples to taste. How long ago was that? 5 years? You are right. WOW. What a trip.I also want to applaud you for reaching out into the community and finding a way to use people's love for chocolate in a positive and beautifully constructive way. It speaks well to who you, Belle, and Lillie are as people and to the values you want LillieBelle Farms to represent.
Jeff
@Jeff
04/11/08 08:19:23
94 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

WOW! What a trip!The food drive that is a core part of our opening has been wonderful! The community really got behind the "bring a can-get a chocolate" concept and the food bank hauled away to 55gallon drums yesterdat filled to the brim with non-perishable food stuffs. Well over 800lbs so far and we have all weekend to go!Check out my daughter and I.... www.access-inc.org
Valerie Confections
@Valerie Confections
04/05/08 16:27:23
2 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

Congratulations! We can't wait to stop by next time we're in town. Have a wonderful weekend, and much continued success to you.Stan and Valerie
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
03/21/08 18:28:06
71 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

To fellow chocophiles:I know we are all pinching pennies now in this economy, but if you have any to spare and are craving EXCELLENT chocolates, ck out Lillie Belles website and mailorder some- you will really be pleasantly rewarded!
Sera
@Sera
03/21/08 11:44:06
39 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

Congrats! I wish I lived in the area so I could go! :)
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
03/20/08 20:00:18
71 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

Congrats Jeff and to your team- i was just at the Oregon Chocolate Festival (so fun- talked to you about the new NYC choc show space) and then we had a little time before my flight sunday so we went to your shop in Central Point (is that the one shop you are having the opening for? or somewhere else too?) I have great pics I can send along and REALLY loved the shop- yes very open windows to the kitchen and lovely staff and just AWESOME chocs- i swear yours were the best of the whole festival (although Bransons Amaretto Truffles were also incredible).Im so impressed with your flavors and beauty of the chocs- I will be ordering more too i promise! For me and gifts-Best of luck, and all i can recommend is a bigger sign on the building and maybe some grass instead of pavement out front....I know these things take time....Keep on Chocin On
Jeff
@Jeff
03/20/08 09:14:28
94 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

thanks gwen. you may be waiting a long time for the washington crowd to figure out anything, whatsoever....
Jeff
@Jeff
03/19/08 16:28:57
94 posts

Its Grand Opening time!!!!


Posted in: News & New Products Press

We are finally doing it! Actually having a Grand Opening of our new retail/factory space. It has been a wild ride. 6 years of constant struggle, nightmare hours, money bleeding, and pure angst.Sounds like fun eh?Well it is an entire week of events complete with a dual chamber "Ribbon Cutting Ceremony", Senior discount day, ladies night with a wine pairing, Guys Night with a beer pairing, "Wear your favorite tie-dye day", and a super secret stealth private party for 500 people. We are also paired up the local food bank and everyone who brings a non-perishable food item for the barrel gets a free chocolate from the case.I am really thrilled with our new location. The exhibition kitchen is very open and people LOVE being able to watch us make stuff. Its a huge bonus for our county as it brings tourists and, hopefully, $$$ to us.Anyway;....the festivities start on April 5th. call us or go our website for details. www.lilliebellefarms.com
updated by @Jeff: 03/11/26 06:20:34
Susie Norris
@Susie Norris
05/07/08 22:33:33
21 posts

Where to Buy Cookbooks and Reference Books


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

There's The Cook's Library in LA - walls & walls of cookbooks, with a travel book shop right next door. Near 3rd Street & La Cienega. www.cookslibrary.com Regarding the above post, thanks for the mid-west sneakret Gwen! Might take you up on it!
Seby Singh
@Seby Singh
04/12/08 20:19:49
17 posts

Where to Buy Cookbooks and Reference Books


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

The store on West 10th Street is called Bonnie Slotnik.
Seby Singh
@Seby Singh
04/09/08 17:58:54
17 posts

Where to Buy Cookbooks and Reference Books


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Buying cookbooks online has it's own benefits, mainly that it can be a lot cheaper.However, there is nothing like going to a bookstore and browsing at a large selection, looking through the books and then either buying or purchasing it online.A bookstore I enjoy going to is Kitchen and Letters on the Upper East Side.There is also a tiny bookshop on West 10th Street devoted to cookbooks of all kinds.
John
@John
03/18/08 07:16:00
1 posts

Where to Buy Cookbooks and Reference Books


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I found a great site for buying cookboks, Jessica's Biscuit, "ecookbooks.com". The prices are very good (20 to 75% off) and selection is outstanding. They have over 150 books on Chocolate alone. One of the last books I bought was " Brownies to die for " by Bev Shaffer. I've tried two recipes so far, one cake like and the other fudgey, both great. My joy of baking and love of great chocolate keeps smiles on my friends and familys faces.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/17/08 08:42:36
1,696 posts

Where to Buy Cookbooks and Reference Books


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

This purpose of this forum thread is to create a place where members can recommend their favorite places to purchase cooking and other books about chocolate. Please keep in mind that everyone knows the obvious sources (e.g., Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble, etc.) what we're looking for here is the specialist sources that cater to people like us who are crazy about chocolate.
updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Sera
@Sera
04/22/08 07:53:37
39 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I noticed lots of stores missing and the random companies and offices listed in Chocomap. Good to know I wasn't the only one stumped by this.Exactly what I'm after Clay. :)
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/21/08 19:51:23
1,696 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Theo B:Chocomap is a start, but usability is not the greatest. Try searching by a city in the US (arranging alphabetically so that the US is at the bottom of this list is just plain wrong). Takes forever, and NY, for example is broken down by borough so that's at least 5 searches - except there are three boroughs missing (Queens, Staten Island, the Bronx) and I know that there is at least one chocolate shop in each.What Sera is asking for is the next level of this, which is to identify what chocolates are sold at those shops. This can get excruciatingly detailed with companies like Whole Foods which seems to carry a different selection for each store.I think the way to tackle this is to get the data, figure out how to put it in a usable form, and then make it pretty.
cybele
@cybele
04/21/08 19:01:05
37 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Theo - that's a fun map. A little hard to use in big metros like LA (you have to search by Venice, and San Pedro, and Los Angeles, etc. to see everything. So many places missing (Artisan du Chocolat in Los Angeles is right next to Valerie Confections, yet not on the map). Some of the places aren't even retail establishments, just manufacturing facilities, candy kitchens or offices.Maybe I'll pop Pam a note and see if we can get it updated.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/21/08 17:51:19
251 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Have y'all seen this map that will show you the chocolate stores near you? http://chocomap.com/chocolate-map.php
Sera
@Sera
03/28/08 22:39:16
39 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Ahh, I remember you mentioning that now in the video of the Google talk you gave. What a great area of knowledge to have! I admit that the more sophisticated the applications get, the most likely I am to get confused by them since I'm always trying to "think ahead" of the programming. :PI understand the concerns you have for openrecord, and I do admit the lack of visual appeal really irks me as well. Ahh, the RISD curse, right?Sounds like your developer friend might be our best bet. I look forward to hearing how you like this new interface!
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/28/08 06:56:59
1,696 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Sera:I spent a large part of my pre-chocolate career actually trying to build applications like this so I am fairly familiar with the field. This is one of the most promising I have seen. However, it's not visually sophisticated and it's missing some really important features (especially hierarchical categories).I have worked with a really smart young developer who's got a great User Interface building tool and we are going to take the general idea of openrecord and fix its deficiencies rather than try to fix openrecord. I should know in the next week or so when it will be ready to play with. Hopefully by mid-April.
Sera
@Sera
03/27/08 21:18:24
39 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Ooo, that looks like a good option Clay! I like how easily it is to format and edit, which is think it really important, since not only could we locate a brand of chocolate, but things like tasting notes, places to buy (also recommendations, because store x might have old or badly stored bars, etc).I think user ease is a BIG component in making this work, and openrecord.org, albeit bad visual design, has that.Is there any way to search for other applications similar to this?
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/27/08 09:48:55
1,696 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Casey:Thanks for these suggestions. Although the design is really bad, I want to encourage you to go to http://openrecord.org/screencast.html and take a look at as many chapters as you can sit through. This is the sort of flexibility in a tool that I am looking for.I am interested in everyone's comments on this.
Casey
@Casey
03/27/08 09:09:34
54 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

While you all are working on developing the app, here are some ideas. You might want to check out Dave's Garden, the web's largest gardening community. It has very successful user built databases of plants and plant suppliers with some very interesting features.There is the Garden Watchdog , which is the database of the actual shops. Company info and website are listed along with categories of products they carry, and user reviews of the company as a business are included. This is then cross linked with the PlantScout , the database where you search to find a specific plant and see all vendors carrying it. This is then also cross linked witht the Plant database , where all known info about the plant, in this case the chocolate, is listed, along with user reviews, user uploaded photos, etc. So this would be where the info about the chocolate's origins, percentage, and possibly user comments/reviews, etc. So it's really several databases that can interact or function on their own. And all structured so that any user may contribute to them. These databases may be searched by location, keyword, or an alphabetized list may be viewed.
Sera
@Sera
03/26/08 21:11:38
39 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Sounds great. :)
Sera
@Sera
03/26/08 21:10:51
39 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I'm so happy to hear that something similar is already being organized Clay! I'll organize my research, and hold out on posted any of material like you suggest.I think if this works out, it would be so extremely useful!
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/26/08 20:18:25
1,696 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Brady has suggested a very different idea that requires a similar database infrastructure in order to make it work. While I encourage any of you to do the research, you might want to wait a week or two to start entering the data here. I am working with a colleague to develop an application that will make it easy to create this database as well as the database that Brady is looking to do - and maybe even connect them somehow.We are looking into making this a widget that any social network hosted on Ning can use!
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
03/26/08 15:59:12
71 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I think this is a GREAT idea, I love it! Im all about lists, espec for diff cities and where to buy choc. What a cool resource to have. Hope more ppl participate- give it time. Only thing is that some shops carry so many brands, it would be really hard to list (like Choc Covered or Fog City News in San Fran) but in those cases, you could just refer ppl to their websites or ph. # to call. I will try to come up with a list soon- maybe Portland, OR (hometown) or Tampa, FL (current residence).
Sera
@Sera
03/16/08 16:10:23
39 posts

Chocolate Slotting Mapping Idea


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Ok, I have this crazy idea that I'm throwing out there to see what you guys think. If it's feasible, I think it's be a really interesting and effective way to buy chocolate.What if we started a list where we'd write in stores that we know carry a certain chocolate brands and types. Take for example, if I were to write about some shops in New York City, I'd list shopes that I've been in recently and what I've seen there. That way, if we were looking for a certain bar, we'd know exactly where to go get it.For example:Dean and Deluca (Prince St and Broadway): Bonnat (Chuao and 100% bars), Pralus, D&D Brand Bars, Christopher Norman Bonbons, etc.Trump Palace Chocolate Shop (68th and 3rd Ave): Pralus (75% bars, Caramel Bar Pyramid), Amedei (Chuao, Procelana, Red, Blonde, White Pistachio, etc), Vosges (Wooloomooloo), Coppenuer, Chocolove, etc...Whole Foods (14th st Union Square): Neuhaus 75%, Vosges line, Lake Champlain ( Bars, Truffles, 5 star bars), Valrhona (75%), etc.This way, we'd have a resource to consult if we were looking for something specific.So what do you all think? Do you think this would be useful? A waste of time?
updated by @Sera: 04/09/15 16:56:04
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
12/31/10 11:53:45
1,696 posts

Reclassification of cacao varieties?


Posted in: Opinion

Brady:

One of the things that people don't always consider to be part of "terroir" is post-harvest processing and manufacturing techniques. Champagne is not just a defined region, it's a method of production AND the use of particular grape varietals.

A controlled denomination of origin system would include all of these aspects (e.g., Maraon pure Nacional as the type, a specific geographic descriptor, and then a description of the general protocols for fermentation [e.g/. 2/2/2] and drying.

I think it's pretty easy to appreciate chocolate without really knowing where the cocoa beans come from. However, more knowledge leads to a different depth of appreciation. Recently, I came across a definition of connoisseur as someone who can say, "I can appreciate that - even though I don't like it."

Getting to specific genetics will be interesting and depend upon confounding political factors over which there is no control.

Brady
@Brady
12/30/10 22:03:18
42 posts

Reclassification of cacao varieties?


Posted in: Opinion

What I want to see is the most accurate labeling today's technology can provide. That includes genetics but it shouldn't stop there. And I do think more accurate geography could be easier to implement and more meaningful. Take for example, Hacienda San Jose, where alot of bean types are grown. Their Chuao does not taste the same as the ones found in Chuao Village. I think that reinforces what you and Seneca are saying? I think a more specific label could also give the consumer insight to the quality of post harvesting practices, if we start to see more plantation names, certain reputations might be formed. Even broad origins give some insight to post harvesting practices. Overall, I wonder how it is possible to appreciate the chocolate we have without really knowing what it is?
Brady
@Brady
12/30/10 21:46:01
42 posts

Reclassification of cacao varieties?


Posted in: Opinion

I got ahold of some of these Peruvian Nacional in '09 and posted some of my pictures of them on my chocolatelife page. If you check them out they are currently the first 4 pictures. You'll see both purple and white beans. I'm looking forward to trying the chocolate made from them. I just wonder what the profile will taste like. As you mention below, genetics isn't everything. Will the storied floral flavor of the Ecuadorian Nacional be present?? Geography also plays a part.
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