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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
02/01/08 06:15:21
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Fine chocolate getting more expensive?


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The cacao market is quite complex, so the answer to this is quite complex. First a few stats:1) The current annual harvest for cacao is about 3 million metric tons (tonnes).2) At the moment, supply and demand are roughly equal.3) The current price for commodity cacao is about $1,700/tonne.4) Specialty cacaos can command prices of up to $4,000/tonne5) Worldwide demand for cacao is expected to increase by 50% over the next 10 years. Two things are fueling this demand:5a) Increase in interest in high cocoa content bars.5b) Large economies not normally considered to be chocolate eaters (including China and India with 1/3 or the world's population between them) are quickly developing an interest in chocolate.6) The price for commodity cacao is expected to increase to $4,500/tonne.7) Depending on the growing region, the percentage of the harvest that is left on the tree because of disease or insect damage is 30-80%.8) Depending on the bean variety it takes between 2 and 5 years for a cacao tree to start producing harvestable pods.9) Fine flavor cacao trees take longer to start bearing, produce fewer beans per tree, and are more susceptible to disease.9a) Vietnam came from nowhere to become the 3rd largest coffee producer in the world in a very short time because of government interest and subsidies. They are embarking on a similar program for cacao.When you take all of these factors into account:A) The price for all chocolates will increase.B) The desire (by manufacturers) to replace cocoa butter with cheaper fats will increase. This is likely to happen only for inexpensive mass market chocolates where price is a major consideration.C) The increase in demand will increase planting of trees, but they will take several years to become productive. The major chocolate manufacturers will pressure growers to plant high-yielding bulk beans such as CCN-51 from Ecuador rather than flavor beans with criollo genes in them.D) Because of the rise in the price of commodity cacao, farmers will be dis-incented to grow flavor beans because they can make a lot of money (comparatively speaking) growing commodity beans.What will happen is that:i) There will be an increased emphasis on farmer field schools to teach them techniques to reduce disease and insect damage and therefor increase yields from existing plantings. Experience suggests that farmer training can reduce lossses by 50% or more.ii) Premium chocolate makers will start working very closely with their growers, buying beans directly and paying them directly in order to secure a lock on supplies. They will also start writing long-term contracts like the one Amedei has with Chuao in order to get farmers to continue to deliver fine flavor cacao beans.iii) This interest by premium chocolate makers will lead to a rise in the production of fine flavor cacao but not enough to cover the shortfall.In the end, the gap in price and quality between mass market and gourmet chocolate will increase even as the overall price for all chocolates increases.The (relative) good news in this is that chocolate will still remain inexpensive compared with wines and balsamic vinegars, for example.
Choxotica
@Choxotica
01/31/08 18:57:15
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Fine chocolate getting more expensive?


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The problem is that the supply is diminishing due to deforestation, fungus and other problems plaguing the wonderful Theobroma Cacao tree. So increasing demand with static or decreasing supply means higher prices for sure. What we will likely see is that the word "Chocolate" will be used to describe a brown chemical mess sold to the mass public at grocery stores and discount warehouses with no Cacao in the product. You will only be able to find Cacao based products at smaller fine retailers since the cost of Cacao bean will be prohibitive and they likely will pass laws allowing you to say it's "Chocolate" and have very little Cacao in the mixture. All this combined with the fact the Asian countries are getting quite a craving for Cacao spells trouble for the mass "Chocolate" producing companies and those of seeking "good" chocolate.
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
01/31/08 17:58:42
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Fine chocolate getting more expensive?


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I hear from several chocolatiers that prices are rising on fine beans since they are becoming more popular and there's higher demand- but would that not eventually help the price go down since more will be grown and available? Any thoughts?
updated by @Chocoflyer: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/20/08 09:54:20
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Domenico:This is a real challenge - getting your hands on small quantities of beans. The cocoa market is not set up to handle this and there are FDA and USDA hurdles to overcome. There used to be a cocoa broker who was able to snag a bag here and there from larger shipments, but I think he's no longer in that business. I know of someone who has ties to a farm community in Panama that has lots of different kinds of beans and I have been trying to work that angle. There's some positive movement in that direction and I think that things will start to loosen up soon. In the meantime, John Nanci over at chocolatealchemy.com has been selling small quantities of beans of various origins, and he might have some in stock that he can sell you.
Domenico
@Domenico
04/19/08 17:26:35
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Maybe cocoa beans are related stuff...I am searching hard to find small producers no matter where in the world who'd sell in small quantities. A particular place is Chiapas, but any Ecuadorian Nacional or Brazilian source of Criollo would be wonderful. (I am not mistaken, I have tasted it but could not buy: yes, there definitely is Criollo grown in Brazil.) I'd be grateful for any tip?
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
01/31/08 09:23:09
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This forum post is the point of entry for links, discussions, and questions about where to buy stuff related to chocolate that is not covered in the other topics in this forum.This is not the place to post information about where to buy chocolate or tools to work with chocolate, there are two other forum threads for those topics.
updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Anna C
@Anna C
11/23/09 09:18:50
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AndyThanks for the website.I also have checked this one http://www.intlfoodcraft.com/natural-color.html .
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
11/23/09 06:58:32
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Something to remember about these is they are infrared and only reading the surface of the target. The bottom of your container if on a heat source will be hotter than the top.
updated by @Andy Ciordia: 09/11/15 22:45:04
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
11/23/09 06:57:04
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We started this search about a week ago and I found a few places by just doing a google search for 'natural food coloring chocolate', here's one result: http://www.chocolatecraftkits.com/foodcoloring.php
Anna C
@Anna C
11/23/09 05:20:37
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Hello,Is anybody knows where can i buy online or in new york area natural dyes in powder or liquid for chocolate or natural colored cocoa butter .Almost every chocolate related websites carry artificial colors. :(
Woo Chocolate
@Woo Chocolate
11/22/09 22:29:46
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Hello everyone!I am wondering where to buy the nice, thick paper you see on high-end candy bars, (you know, no foil peeking out of the ends).Any thoughts would be great!
Andre Costa
@Andre Costa
02/18/09 08:16:07
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Patrick,I love Chocolat-Chocolat! What a great site.Thanks for pointing that one out!
Carlos Eichenberger
@Carlos Eichenberger
01/29/09 09:55:37
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I know I should have, but at the time it just didn't occur to me (although I've done it before, just spaced it this time) and now too much time has passed. So, what I did was vote with my feet and never bought from them again.Good advice John, thanks.
John DePaula
@John DePaula
01/29/09 09:05:44
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If the order came to you incomplete, you should 'dispute the charge' on your credit card. If they don't get paid, they may take you more seriously.Also, consider contacting the Better Business Bureau to file a complaint.
Carlos Eichenberger
@Carlos Eichenberger
01/29/09 07:46:58
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Sugarcraft has decent pricing, lots of ingredients like invert sugar, glucose, invertase, etc. They carry a very good selection of packaging materials in retail or wholesale quantities. They also have an extensive section of chocolate and candymaking equipment. Kitchen Krafts is another outfit I've used occasionally. Albert Uster Imports has a lot of hard-to-find stuff too. I bought some Beta6 cocoa butter from them. Chocovision and ACMC make good, but expensive, home size tempering machines.Bought some great lustre sprays from baker's nook , don't think I've seen them at other stores.I had a pretty ugly experience with pastrychefcentral, order came incomplete and they (very rudely) refused to replace missing items, out over $100 :(
John DePaula
@John DePaula
01/25/09 17:48:55
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I really like my Raytek Mini-Temp Laser Thermometer . Just wish I'd bought one sooner. Saves me tons of time and it's very accurate.The only caveat, and it's a small one, is that it's not easy to switch between Celsius and Fahrenheit scales.
Christine Doerr
@Christine Doerr
01/25/09 16:49:18
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Can anyone recommend a good brand for an infrared laser thermometer and then where to buy it? Currently I'm using a cheep non-digital thermometer that constantly falls into my bowl of melting chocolate. I admit, maybe I need to upgrade to a digital but if you have a good recommendation, I'll go straight to the top with a laser. If it makes a difference, I'm not tempering and I'm melting via bain marie. Many thanks!
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
01/23/09 21:09:59
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I bought this beautiful unlined copper pot for making caramel from Bridge Kitchenware. I was actually in the store looking for something else entirely but it was hanging there with a "sale" tag on it so I decided to treat myself and splurge on it. I think I paid about $125 for it - normally almost twice that much.No need to be scared, they are a joy to work with.
Nancy2
@Nancy2
01/23/09 15:46:47
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hello all,I was wondering how many beginners we have here, I know I am one?Can you tell me some good books on how to get started with chocolate making? This site looks good for supplies: chocolate making supplies or--- home chocolate factory I guess so much depends on the ingredients that one chooses too, maybe I can learn from people here.fun and good taste starts here.... candy
Christina Durta
@Christina Durta
05/27/08 08:42:04
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The Chocolate Mold Factory - hobby chocolate molds, professional polycarbonate molds, chocolate transfer sheets, chocolate books, mold making supplies, personalized candy, custom molds, free instructions and videos about making custom molds.
Tricia
@Tricia
04/22/08 22:11:40
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A breaking fork is a must have when working with blocks of chocolate. Some specialty stores (like Sur La Table) will sell it for over $20- but down at my local restaurant supply store (Cresco on Richards Blvd in Sacramento) they're sold as bar tools for breaking ice for less than $10.
Patrick Sikes
@Patrick Sikes
04/22/08 20:10:22
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http://www.chocolat-chocolat.com - Chocolate molds and really great packaging. They also have great service...very friendly! http://www.modpac.com - Wholesale chocolate packaging including some custom stuff.
Seby Singh
@Seby Singh
04/09/08 17:53:49
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You could also try New York Cake & Bake on 22nd Street between 5th & 6th Avenues.A word of advice: the return policy can be difficult so pick carefully.
Casey
@Casey
02/27/08 15:30:12
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Hobby grade molds for the home confectioner Candyland Crafts CyberTrayd
Bethany Thouin
@Bethany Thouin
02/26/08 12:06:25
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Many tools that you need can be purchased at your local kitchen goods shop. Some of the first tools that I bought were purchased at Target and Bed, Bath and Beyond...Offset SpatulaStainless Steel BowlsRubber ScrapersWhisksSilpatDigital ThermometerSmall Ice Cream Scoop for scooping ganacheMeasuring Cups1/2 Sheet PansThe key is to look around. Find who your local suppliers are. They will appreciate your business and you will be able to network through those relationships.
Brendan
@Brendan
02/16/08 20:32:15
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I can suggest a few for starters:J.B. Prince, http://www.jbprince.com/ Good selection, good service, prices are ok (but not cheap).Tomric, http://www.tomric.com/ Mainly molds and custom work, but if you get to the equipment part of their (somewhat clunky) site, some very cool stuff. I just got their printed catalog, and it's much more user-friendly than the website.Chef Rubber, http://www.chefrubber.com/ Specializing in mold-making supplies, but has lots of stuff you won't find elsewhere.Kerekes, http://www.bakedeco.com/ Like J.B. Prince, a professional supplier with a great selection.Design et Realisation, http://www.dr.ca/ Canadian company with some harder-to-find utensils and rulers.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
01/31/08 09:21:51
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Where to Buy Tools for Working with Chocolate


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This forum thread is the point of entry for links, discussions, and questions about where to buy tools for working with chocolate.Please do not post links to sources for chocolate or sources for chocolate related items (such as books, t-shirts, etc.) There are separate forum threads for those.In addition to all of the suggestions following I can recommend Pastry Chef Central and Bridge Kitchenware . I bought a copper sugar boiler from Bridge that was on sale (about half off) and it's my favorite thing to make caramel in - plus, it's just beautiful to look at.
updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Richard Vaughan (OneGoldenTicket)
@Richard Vaughan (OneGoldenTicket)
04/13/13 14:41:48
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Here are my favorite online stores for buying chocolate bars:

Caputo's

Chocolopolis

Chocosphere

Cocova

World Wide Chocolate (taking advantage of weekly sales)

More info about all of them at One Golden Ticket .

Sarah Gross
@Sarah Gross
05/05/08 17:25:17
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These will be up soon. I just shot the pix
Jay Olins
@Jay Olins
05/01/08 11:39:55
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Sarah, where can I purchase those "Former USSR" bars online? Names of bars might help me google if you don't have name of that Brighton Beach store.
Sarah Gross
@Sarah Gross
04/28/08 18:15:25
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Although my short review won't do it justice, I just have to comment on Biagio Fine Chocolate store in Washington D.C. I went in a few weeks ago and was blown away by the selection! In all of NYC there is not a place like it. It's reminiscent of SF's Fog City News in the wide range of bars sold. Biagio himself is very knowledgeable about each bar in the store and extremely friendly. It was a great experience to be in the store, and a whole reason to go to Washington ;) biagiochocolate.com
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/22/08 21:38:45
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If you go visit Michael Mischer, make sure to try his root beer barrel piece. I tried it at the COPIA chocolate festival. It reminded me totally of those root beer barrel hard candies. Took me way back to when I was nine or then - those were among my all time favorites at that age.
Patrick Sikes
@Patrick Sikes
04/22/08 19:13:16
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I had a box of Norman Love's chocolates a couple months ago. Some very complex flavors and some a little too far from center for my tastes. Each piece however was truly a piece of art work.
Ian boyd
@Ian boyd
04/19/08 22:38:22
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So - we're off to Las Vegas in a few weeks. I'm picturing myself sitting in a chocolate salon being treated to the finest chocolate along with instruction and elaboration on proper tasting techniques. I picture this event lasting an hour or more. I'm willing to pay for a gourmet experience. Any thoughts on where to go?? In the fall we'll be in San Francisco - same question. Thanks in advance. Ian
cybele
@cybele
03/03/08 20:50:43
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Excellent list.Here are a couple of other general candy stores have have nice chocolate bar selections:Miette ConfisiereThe Candy StoreIn Oakland:Bittersweet Cafe - huge selection of bars plus tasting events
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
03/03/08 19:24:02
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SAN FRANCISCO is truly a chocolate lovers paradise! I just visited and WOW was I impressed, here's a rundown of shops (if you need more details let me know- address, ph #s etc)CHOCOLATE COVERED (over 325 diff brands, many rare and new, blew me away!)RECCHIUTI CONFECTIONSSCHARFFEN BERGERTEUSCHERRICHARTLEONIDASCHOCOLATE HEAVENSAN FRAN CHOCOLATE STOREGHIRARDELLIFUDGE HOUSESCHOGGI SWISS CHOCFOG CITY NEWS (over 200 brands)(closed for Presidents Day when i was there- drat!!)CONFETTI LE CHOCMOONSTRUCKLUV BOX CHOCCOCOA BELLA (sells fresh pieces from major artisan chocolatiers grouped by country- awesome)Z CIOCCOLATOXOX TRUFFLESBITTERSWEET CAFEBELGANO CHOCCHOCOLATE ON CASTROJOSEPH SCHMIDTSAN FRAN CHOC FACTORY5 STAR TRUFFLESCHRISTOPHER ELBOW CHOC (truly gorgeous and delicious, brand new in SF)ROCKY MT. CHOCGODIVASEE'STCHO- Opening shop summer 08 on Pier 17PLUS ACROSS THE BAY....Scharffen Berger Factory and Cafe Cacao in BerkleyCosmic Choc in OaklandMichael Mischer in OaklandCharles Choc and Factory in EmeryvilleIf I missed any please let me know! I will add photos soon....
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
03/03/08 19:00:16
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LAS VEGAS- who knew Vegas was such a choco lovers town? I have a layover there next week flying to OR so I casually looked into whats available and found a lot!ETHEL'S CHOCOLATE LOUNGE- at Fashion Show Mall and the Ethel chocolate Factory nearby in Henderson, NVETHELS Choc shops- inside Flamingo Hotel and in every Terminal at McCarren Airport (LAS)CHOCOLATE HEAVEN- inside Riviera HotelVOSGES HAUT CHOCOLATE- Inside the ultra fancy Forum shops at Caesars Palace hotelCHOCOLATE SWAN- inside Mandaly Bay hotelTEUSCHER SWISS CHOC- inside Planet Hollywood hotelLENOTRE- inside Paris hotelM&M WORLD- in Showcase Mall with VERY large marquee on the strip next to MGM hotel - can't miss it!CHOCOLATE FOUNTAIN inside Bellagio Hotel @ Jean Phillip PatisserieGODIVA- inside Fashion Show Mall and Planet Hollywood hotelROCKY MT. CHOCOLATES- inside Planet Hollywood hotelGHIRARDELLI- inside Imperial Palace hotelif anyone has any to add, please do!
updated by @Chocoflyer: 06/08/15 15:58:17
Chocoflyer
@Chocoflyer
02/16/08 08:23:19
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FYI I saw these same kiosks in San Francisco airport- that means they are being placed by some airport consortium because all the choc co's are totally diff- wouldnot be one brand putting them out. Look for these at the airports you fly too and report back! They are not stands with ppp llike a shop, just oneof the display kiosks in the news/ magazine areas.
cybele
@cybele
02/15/08 15:20:38
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No, this is a completely different L'Artisan. This one is run by Christian Alexandre and Whajung Park. It's a tiny little storefront and their inventory changes seasonally as the ingredients are available. I think the most surprising bonbon I had there was a white chocolate ganache with cucumber & vodka. The more traditional tea infused ones were also nice.I know that they've attended the Chocolate Show in San Francisco before.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
02/15/08 14:54:04
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Cybele:This is a great list and I hope others will add to it. Is the l'Artisan du Chocolat an outpost of the London-based chocolatier of the same name?
cybele
@cybele
02/15/08 13:07:38
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Clay asked me to add my list of places to buy chocolate in Los Angeles. Here are the places where I've tried so far: BonBonBars (no store, order online) www.bonbonbar.com Boule another bonbon shop. They make great macarons in the French style and two different styles of bonbons (one molded buttons and the other enrobed with transfer styles on top). Interesting flavors, I like some of them but others I find a little greasy in texture. Great ice cream. Chocolate Box Caf in La Canada. Not locally made but imported from Belgium. They have an interesting line of buttermilk ganache chocolates that deserve a look. Their best pieces are in milk chocolate. Chocolates a la Carte not the best chocolates in the world, but the factory store has some surprises, especially when theyre doing repack work for another brand and have items made with Valrhona (usually they use Callebaut) and of course everythings very fresh at the factory. Chuao Chocolatier technically the closest one is in Orange County, but I enjoy their use of flavors and textures. El Rey chocolate. Edelweiss Chocolates very traditional chocolate sweets in Beverly Hills, their preserved fruits are very good. Jin Patisserie in Venice, known far and wide for their tea room and chocolates. I thought they were interesting but tiny and overpriced. K Chocolatier wildly expensive and quirky hours (weekdays) but some very tasty alcohol filled chocolate, generous samples. LArtisan du Chocolat fresh, innovative & attractive. Oh, and expensive. Littlejohn Toffee & Fudge the fudge is okay, I think they have some great sponge candy covered in chocolate and New Orleans style pralines. Not really a chocolate shop. Valerie Confections right next door to LArtisan du Chocolat, more on the elegant comfort side of things. Toffee, nougats, bonbons and now petit fours & tea cakes.And stores for bars & boxes: Cost Plus World Market a decent selection & prices of the most popular fine import bars and usually at decent prices. Check expiry dates closely though. Garvey Nuts its a wholesale place in City of Commerce (just off the 5 near the outlet mall Citadel). They sell lots of novelty candies, including the better ones like Madelaines Mel & Roses Wine & Spirits immense selection of both upscale chocolatiers & bars as well as import consumer candies from all over Europe, Japan & Australia. Mr. Marcel at the Farmers Market. Good selection of chocolate bars, though the prices are often 50% more than Cost Plus which is just a few yards away. Munchies a little gem tucked away in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood thats completely Kosher. They have a large selection of international stuff, mostlybars and a great sale on Ritter (what can I say, Im a sucker for Knusperflakes & their Rum Trauben Nuss). Surfas - Culver City kitchen supply company that has a good selection of baking products and just plain old bars, including just about every Valrhona.My local grocery stores tend to carry some good stuff too. I stumbled on a nice selection at Vons the other day that included the full line of Chuao bars and a great sale on Ritter (what can I say, Im a sucker for Knusperflakes & their Rum Trauben Nuss).I keep pretty copious notes about them on my blog in the Los Angeles category .
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