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Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/23/12 06:12:42
754 posts

refining


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

What's the best color car, red or blue? Depends on what you value. There are lots of ways to particle size reduce. For me, the best one is a million dollar buehler refiner or an air classified mill. That's not going to be the best for most of you because of the infrastructure, volume, and cost requirements.

if you're a little guy making 10 lbs a day, a stone roller mill is probably your best bet, or a small lehman or day pilot refiner.

Omar Forastero
@Omar Forastero
11/22/12 06:31:34
86 posts

refining


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

I stone grinded some chocolate the other day and realised it is the best method to achieve a better smoother tastier chocolate. Now because I am not using one at work and because I will need a large industrial refiner to match demand. I would love to ask you fine people. What's a good industrial refining machine?

holycacao
@holycacao
08/25/10 01:01:15
38 posts

refining


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Quantity will dictate the best grinding method. We've used stone grinders in the beginning and now use a hammer mill and 3 roll refiner. The hammer mill quickly grinds the nibs into a rough liquor. The roll refiners take longer to refine but give the best results in my humble opinion. Having 2 refiners in series would speed up production - as would having larger rolls $$$. I think most chocolate makers would tell you that you make chocolate with what you have. Its possible to find a good deal, be prepared to fix up machines (a necessity in this business).Jo
Duffy Sheardown
@Duffy Sheardown
08/24/10 23:43:07
55 posts

refining


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The "best" method depend on what you are trying to achieve and what throughput you are aiming for. I have a 30kg granite grinder and use that to refine the nibs for a good few hours before adding other ingredients and starting the conching part of the process. When supply cannot meet demand I might need to find something else but at the moment that is working fine.My other concern was cleaning - as I use several types of bean and make small batches I only want to have to clean as few machines as possible to minimise losses. This way I only clean the grinder and. later, the temperer.DUffy
Dimond Atkins
@Dimond Atkins
08/24/10 19:18:11
3 posts

refining


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

After experimenting with various methods of refining, I'm about as lost as I can be. I'm trying to decide which is the most efficient and effective method - roll milling, ball milling, stone grinder, and pul.mill. I just want to get some idea as to what everyone prefers... Let me know...

-Dimond

updated by @Dimond Atkins: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Brian Donaghy
@Brian Donaghy
09/01/10 12:05:13
58 posts

Chocolate/Confectionery Stores


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

St. Croix ChocolateMarine on St. Croix, MN651.433.1400
Danielle
@Danielle
08/31/10 10:22:45
11 posts

Chocolate/Confectionery Stores


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Thanks Wendy. That's a great help.
Wendy Buckner
@Wendy Buckner
08/21/10 23:25:50
35 posts

Chocolate/Confectionery Stores


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I used to live in Iowa City... Bochner's Chocolate was really good. Chocolatier Blue just opened a new location at 4101 Pioneer Woods Dr. in Lincoln, NE... Very good chocolates! Not sure about chocolates in Minnesota but one of the most amazing Pastry Chefs I know and had the pleasure of learning from just opened Patisserie 46 in Minneapolis. Worth checking out! Hope this helps!!! ~Wendy
Danielle
@Danielle
08/21/10 13:41:49
11 posts

Chocolate/Confectionery Stores


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Do you have any recommendations about any chocolate or confectionery stores to visit in Nebraska, Minnesota and Iowa? I am familiar with BT McElrath in Minnesota and I have also checked Chocomap and Yelp for listings. Iam specifically seekingsmall independent candy makers.


updated by @Danielle: 05/29/15 12:31:38
Kerry
@Kerry
08/20/10 18:55:41
288 posts

Transportion of "delicate" cargo.


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

What Shelley said! Not too much cold.
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/20/10 18:30:39
11 posts

Transportion of "delicate" cargo.


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

The chocolates are boxed. Thanks so much for the info!
Shelley Seward
@Shelley Seward
08/20/10 17:52:03
8 posts

Transportion of "delicate" cargo.


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi,If your favors are packaged in boxes the cooler with ice packs will be fine.I would suggest putting the ice packs on the bottom of the cooler. 1 or 2 - you don't want the favors to be so cold that when you take them out in a hot enviornment that they sweat. Place a piece of cardboard down on top of the packs to create a barrier. That will prevent any condensation, from the ice packs, from ruining your packaging.I hope this helps.HC
Kerry
@Kerry
08/20/10 16:08:26
288 posts

Transportion of "delicate" cargo.


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Packaged or not packaged?
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/20/10 07:29:31
11 posts

Transportion of "delicate" cargo.


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Folks!

It happens to be a warm August here and I happen to have the honors of making wedding favors for a friend's wedding. They came out nice if I might add. ;o Keep in mind I am relatively new at this....

Looking for suggestions on the transportation of my delicate morsels to the venue. I prefer them to be intact and not melted! I was planning on placing them in a cooler with ice packs. Any better ideas?

Thanks for your suggestions.


updated by @Jacquie Schofield: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/17/10 14:53:04
754 posts

Coloring white chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

lots of places carry them. I like the folks at www.chefrubber.com personally.
Tina Thayer
@Tina Thayer
09/17/10 14:13:27
1 posts

Coloring white chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Where would I find powder or oil based colors? I am new to all of this and appreciate all help and feedback I can get.
Omar Forastero
@Omar Forastero
09/16/10 23:57:33
86 posts

Coloring white chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

you can also use powder based colouring.add before tempering.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/19/10 09:43:46
754 posts

Coloring white chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Oil based lakes will work best. Add it any time the chocolate is melted, mix thoroughly 8-) before tempering is easiest.
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/19/10 04:32:03
11 posts

Coloring white chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi everyone.

I know that an oil based food coloring has to be used to color chocolate. However, is there a particular time during the melting/tempering cycle to add the dye?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Jacquie


updated by @Jacquie Schofield: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
08/17/11 13:14:23
1,692 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Yes, the Johnson Controls device should work with most refrigerators to get the temp up to 55F or so, which is usually above their range. You may want some sort of commercial fridge because it will have the wire shelves you need - home fridges are not set up for this.

If humidity is still a problem, try one of the PolarFresh units, and you might even consider a very small computer fan on a dimmer to increase air flow.

Roberta Landgren
@Roberta Landgren
08/17/11 12:45:26
4 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

OK, that makes sense. I already use "serving size" portions when I freeze items now. I couldn't figure out how a chest freezer would work for crystalization. But from what I'm reading the override device from Johnson Controls would also work on refrigerators, correct? I regularly use a dehumidifier for the ambient air, but I'm still struggling with the crystalization problem - small kitchen spaces don't allow for the unheated room I used at home!

Roberta

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
08/17/11 12:33:15
1,692 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Chest freezers are available through many retail outlets and tend to be very inexpensive compared with specialty refrigeration made for working with chocolate.

They do need to be modified to work for the purpose of storing chocolate:

a) You need to get a thermostat override device like the one from Johnson Controls. While you might get a 7 cu/ft chest freezer for $300 (here in NY), the controller might cost another $70. This is still inexpensive compared with $5,000 to $10,000 or more for specialty refrigeration. You wouldn't use the chest freezer for crystallization, only for storage.

b) You need to add something into the chest freezer compartment to control humidity. One option is PolarFresh; it works like a box of baking soda but it's specifically designed to help control humidity; baking soda is only about controlling odors. There are other options - but as you say, obtainability is the issue.

When putting things into the chest for storage, you'll want to pack them in a way that protects them from exposure to air and humidity. You don't want any humidity to condense on the items when cooling down or warming up. SO ... the best way is not to use huge tubs that need to be opened and closed, exposing all of the contents to the air each time the tub is opened. You could do that for organization purposes, but then I'd wrap "serving size" portions individually and put those into the larger tubs. Opening up the tub would then not expose unwrapped pieces to the air.

When taking items out of storage, you have to let them warm up to ambient temperature before unwrapping them to keep moisture from condensing on the chocolate ... it will condense (if present) on the outer wrapping.

Roberta Landgren
@Roberta Landgren
08/17/11 11:37:26
4 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


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Gordon,

Why and how are chest freezers the least expensive? I would like to know more about this. Chest freezers are probably the easiest thing I have access to obtain, but I would think the moisture condensation would be too much of a problem. I live on an island in SE Alaska and while temperatures are not the problem, humidity and obtainability are problems.

Thanks in advance,

Roberta

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
08/17/11 10:42:14
1,692 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Linda:

There are a couple of different questions here.

Johnson Controls makes a line of "thermostat override" devices that can be used to modify the maximum temperature a unit can go to. Most refrigerators want to work in the range of 28-46F or thereabouts. Using one of these override devices you can set the max temp to 55F. By the way, one of the least expensive storage units you can buy is a chest freezer. These temp controls work perfectly for that application

That doesn't solve the humidity issue. One way to do that would be to use a product like PolarFresh or panels from Avive, which are placed in the compartment and reduce humidity.

The streaking you're seeing is probably because the chocolate you're using is unevenly tempered. For example, in a Chocovision machine, you need to wait a few minutes after the machine says you're in temper to evenly distribute the desirable crystals to influence even crystallization. Without knowing more, I'd say you need to mix/agitate your chocolate more than you're doing once it's "in temper."

Linda Schiaffino
@Linda Schiaffino
08/17/11 05:52:48
5 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Sebastian, would you mind sharing how a fridge can be converted? My RH is less than 40%, ambient temp hovers at 68 but on almost all of my pieces I've got streaks. Thanks in advance...
Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/19/10 04:17:52
754 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

They both will discharge hot air, yes..
Elaine Hsieh
@Elaine Hsieh
08/18/10 21:23:49
25 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

In terms of the vented cooling unit - does this mean that the "regular" refrigerator and freezer are vented as well as I imagine it's a similar problem with the hot air?
Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/18/10 18:27:09
754 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

It's hard to say w/o knowing more specifics, but generally speaking, the more moisture and fresh ingredients you have in your pieces, the lower the shelf life (ie, creme based truffles will have less staying power than a solid chocolate). The cooler you make your storage environment, the longer both will last. If you're ambient temperature is in the high 60's, that's sufficient for most products, but again, it's hard to be specific w/o specifics.The best RH is less than 50%. A dehumidifier can work, but i'd suggest using air conditioners to get there. Yes, a vent for your hot air is preferred, otherwise it simply puts the hot air back into your ambient conditions, which isn't what you want.Any refridgerator can be converted to a storage unit. Colder temps mean longer lasting shelf life, but also a higher propensity for condensation (ie, require your ambient environment to be lower in RH).
Elaine Hsieh
@Elaine Hsieh
08/18/10 15:02:15
25 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


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Well, actually that's probably the better question. I can control the room temperature adequately, but as we're a small operation, will not have a cooling tunnel. I assumed that I would need a cooling cabinet at 55 to finish off the chocolate pieces - is that absolutely necessary? And then I assumed the chocolate won't keep for too long left packaged at room temperature.1) Can this be done with a dehumidifier? Can you remind what the ideal RH is?2) Does outlet mean a vent? or leaving enough space around the cabinet?Have you ever heard of converting a True refrigerator to a cooling cabinet? I've read about that on egullet, and noticed on True Manufacturing that they carry a separate thermostat that you can switch out of the fridge that will keep higher temperatures for both wine and chocolates. Thanks for the help.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
08/18/10 14:48:34
754 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Yes. Three possible concerns:1) when you remove your chocolates from the cold environment, you may get some condensation on them, depending on the relative humidity of the warmer room. Keep your RH as low as possible.2) Your cabinet will generate heat as it's running - make sure you've got an appropriate outlet for that heat, lest it warm your room too much.3) Because it's a small, enclosed environment, if you are storing multiple types of pieces that are strongly flavored, the flavors may all blend together. Package them individually and seal them tightly if this is the case.I assume you want to do this for shelf life extension, not for concerns that your shop it too warm to store them outside the cabinet?
Elaine Hsieh
@Elaine Hsieh
08/18/10 09:54:25
25 posts

Can you store finished chocolates in a "cooling cabinet"?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

If I had a cooling cabinet with enough room, would it be reasonable after enrobing or molding, to allow the chocolates to set in the cooling cabinet, then once they're ready for packaging, store them in the cabinet until they're ready to be sold? The store I'm setting up is small, and will usually be in the upper 60s -low 70'sF. The cooling cabinet will be at about 55 degrees.

updated by @Elaine Hsieh: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/17/10 14:46:24
11 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


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Thank you everyone for all your imput.
Kerry
@Kerry
08/16/10 18:12:51
288 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


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The fats in compound coating and cocoa butter interact in a negative way that causes the blotches. If you used tempered chocolate and drizzled it on a finished chocolate you should have no problem.
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/16/10 16:54:13
11 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I have used compound coatings to decorate/ drizzle my tempered chocolate truffles. But I have noticed the tempered chocolate got white blotches around and near the drizzled area. Not sure if the temp change caused by the warm compound coating caused the blotchy areas.
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/16/10 16:29:16
11 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


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Perhaps I am not drizzling at the right time? Should I drizzle while the covered candy is setting or should I wait until it's solidified to drizzle?Can you tell I am a newbie at this? (chuckle)
Carlos Eichenberger
@Carlos Eichenberger
08/16/10 16:26:32
158 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


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It will if untempered. Another option would be to use compound coating (non tempering chocolate that contains vegetable fats) which would set normally and not bloom.
Brian Donaghy
@Brian Donaghy
08/16/10 15:19:14
58 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

It sounds like you warmed chocolate is out of temper.b
Jacquie Schofield
@Jacquie Schofield
08/16/10 12:43:31
11 posts

Will my drizzle make my chocolates fizzle?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Good Afternoon!

Will my finishedchocolates develep bloom if I drizzle with warm chocolate?

Thanks foryour help!

Jacquie


updated by @Jacquie Schofield: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Anthony Lange
@Anthony Lange
11/10/10 14:26:32
34 posts

Cacao Pods Picture


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Pods a plenty..... no copyright, I took it. Enjoy
Melanie Boudar
@Melanie Boudar
08/22/10 03:22:07
104 posts

Cacao Pods Picture


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thanks
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