Forum Activity for @Stephane Laviolette

Stephane Laviolette
@Stephane Laviolette
04/24/13 09:26:44
15 posts

Lollipop packaging


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi

We produce thousands of chocolate lollipop's a year and now with a new agreement I will probably double the amount I produce in a year, which is good news, but I have a problem..

All my lollipop's are packaged in a clear polypro bag and tied down with curling ribbon, they look great and I feel it adds to the the "handmade" part of my business. the problem I have is the cost of labor of doing this, which I estimate being in the 20 cent per item, not including the ribbon.

I have a bag sealing machine.. this machine is great and I use it when i'm stuck, I do not really like the look of the finished product.

I am looking into bows with a twist tie, but again the cost is still pretty high unless I get them out of china, which scares me a bit.. I would like to know how some of you are packaging their pop's, or if someone has a possible solution or lead or manufacturer they know of that can help me bring my cost down, while still keeping a nice look on the finished product.

thank you !


updated by @Stephane Laviolette: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/24/13 04:08:17
754 posts

Wilbur Veliche - Van Leer - Guittard


Posted in: Opinion

Veliche is produced in Belgium. However, simply using african beans on german equipment based in belgium doesn't result in something that's different from the same product made using african beans on german equipment based in the US...

All 3 companies have good products, all 3 have less good products. What good means depends on your definition. Afraid there's no 'right' answer.

matt black
@matt black
04/23/13 14:59:44
4 posts

Wilbur Veliche - Van Leer - Guittard


Posted in: Opinion

Unfortunately I live in a city where the above mentioned chocolates are not available in small quantities for me to sample and play with. I was wondering if anyone has worked with any of the following3 chocolates, Wilbur Veliche - Van Leer - Guittard? I found a cpl of sites that I could purchase them in bulk at what seems to be a decent price but I have never worked with any of them. I was wondering about the quality, taste and tempering qualities. Is the Veliche actually produced in Belgium?Thank you.


updated by @matt black: 04/20/15 17:29:50
Sheila Marie Poklemba
@Sheila Marie Poklemba
04/23/13 05:13:31
2 posts

Donating and fundraiser thoughts


Posted in: Opinion

Wow, thank you Brad!

I appreciate you taking the time to reply and share your experience with me.I do think we are in the type of business that gets the "touch" alot. I decided not to donate boxes of candy or gift certificates anymore because they get lumped together in a basket with 5 other unrelated things to try to get a bigger donation and nobody appreciates or remembers any of it.Your reply has given me two alternatives to the handout and I like the win win approach. I am a big believer in giving back but it felt like I was giving away the farm in the process.

Dantotsu!

Sheila

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/22/13 21:13:09
527 posts

Donating and fundraiser thoughts


Posted in: Opinion

Opening a chocolate shop immediately puts a target on your back for every non profit company and worthy cause to approach you with their hands out. It's crazy!!!!! I get an average of 3 per week. Silent auction items, grab bags, table settings, and the list goes on. You will always hear them extoll the virtues of what great exposure you are going to get and how good it is for business, and how you will get honourable mentions, your logo printed on the menu or brochure, and even exposure in some of their print ads.

THE BENEFIT YOU GETIS A TOTAL LOAD OF BUNK!!! DO NOT FALL FOR IT!!! THE PERSON SOLICITING YOUR CONTRIBUTION IS NOT BEING DISHONEST. THEY SIMPLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I empathize with the volunteerscommissioned with the arduous task of soliciting donations. After all they want to keep the cost of the event to a minimum while giving their attendees a maximum bang for their donation.

I have tried all of them - silent auctions, grab bags, place settings.... you name it. The amount of business I got from the thousands upon thousands of dollars of product I've donated and hundreds of hours of time I've donatedhas been ZERO, ZILCH, ZIPPO. Here's why: People go to these events to socialize, eat, drink,and have fun. They don't think about remembering the chocolatier or the caterer, or the company who donated the flowers. If you don't believe me, think about the last event YOU went to, and name off a few of the donors. If you were able to name two, you are spectacular.

Now, I'm not saying don't give back to the community. Choklat does, and does so in a big way. However, the manners in which my company donates is a win-win. Here are a couple of examples:

  1. Choklat donates seats to our popular "Choklat Snobbery 101" wine and chocolate evenings. In fact we donate an entire event per month to a non-profit.The non-profit sellsthe tickets for $40 per person, keeps the receipts, and we host the event at Choklat. Once per month 10-12 people pay a non profit organization $400-500 to become a captive audience at our shop for 2 hours, where at the end of it they've had a great time, are now (hopefully) devout customers, and have donated to the community. Our cost for 10-12 new customers is $80 for wine and $60 for my staff member's time.
  2. We have put in place a "million smiles" campaign, whereby people pledge $25 per box of custom truffles. $12.50 comes to us and $12.50 goes to the organization running the pledges. Each customer gets to choose their own combinations of truffles, and my staff make them. We've done this for swim teams, schools and other organizations, and it's worked great. We cover our costs, and the families of the pledgees (usually families) get a welcome break from having to buy those crappy chocolate covered almonds, or microwave popcorn that usually floats around.

When I started getting bombarded with requests, I didn't want to say no, and I didn't want to just ignore the person. Like I said above, they have a difficult job- asking for donations. I put this program in place, wrote a polite form letter explaining our programs, and invited them to participate in any of the programs if it fit within the parameters of what they were trying to do.

You too can do the same thing (by that I mean a form letter and a program that you find acceptable). There is nothing wrong with offering to sell your product to the event at your cost, or at a substantial discount. However you aren't a "non profit", and don't be fooled into thinking that the caterer is donating the meal. If they really want chocolate, they can work a buck or two into the cost.

Yes... Believe it or not, I can be empathetic at times! Shhh! Don't tell anybody. I'm still basking in the glory of my reputation for being combative and petulant! :-)

I have attached a copy of the form letter for your reference.

Cheers

Brad

Jo-Ellen Fairbanks
@Jo-Ellen Fairbanks
04/22/13 20:07:39
9 posts

Donating and fundraiser thoughts


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Shelia- I seem to be in the same boat. I don't have a storefront either so I need to be creative in getting my product out to the right market but how much should you give away for the exposure. I made take home boxes for a local up scale restaurant for their signature valentines day dinner. I have received no sales from that investment. A local nonprofit is having a chocolate evening fundraiser and I've been asked to donate truffles ..again for exposure. I'd like to see the advice you get from other on this post
Sheila Marie Poklemba
@Sheila Marie Poklemba
04/22/13 17:38:56
2 posts

Donating and fundraiser thoughts


Posted in: Opinion

Hello,

I'm a long time lurker, first time poster. Many thanks to this website and itsmembers. You all helped me choose my enrober and cutter and I have gotten great honest answers to several questions here.

Recently I have been contacted about donating a table at a college fundraiser. It is a very nice event with clientele in my target market. I had already donated a 2 session class for four people to the silent auction when the Friday event chair contacted me about the sample night. They want 3 tastes per person with 800 people expecting to attend. I would cut the truffles into 3-4 pieces and have 2 different ganaches that I would give sample tastings of. I can also fill in with lesslabor intensivethings like chocolate covered Oreos and bark.

The chair keeps telling me what great "exposure" this would be for me.... but I don't want to expose myself into bankruptcy either. It would be fun to do some show pieces to get my name out and work the event. It would not be horribly expensive product wise but definitely expensive time wise. I would not be able to sell retail at the event and I do not have a storefront so no one would be able to rush to my store to buy my candies.

I keep going back and forth in my mind. I would appreciate any thoughts, comments or concerns.

Thanks in advance,

Sheila P


updated by @Sheila Marie Poklemba: 05/10/15 12:10:30
Katrina Moore
@Katrina Moore
04/22/13 08:57:04
1 posts

Filming a Documentary in Ghana


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi Chocolate Lifers!

I'm a grad student at New York University emphasizing in cocoa supply chains. I went to Ghana last summer to do impact evaluations of Fair Trade certification on cocoa farming communities, and I'm returning this summer to film a documentary. The film is about a clinic that provides free meals and healthcare to the mentally ill, lepers, handicapped, and HIV/AIDS patients of northern Ghana, and will focus mainly on the food program. The finished documentary will be used to raise funds for the clinic.

I'm running a Kickstarter campaign to fund the project. We have only 5 DAYS LEFT to raise the last $2,500 , and it's an all-or-nothing model, meaning that if we don't reach the entire goal, we get nothing. Please help us get there! If you don't have the funds to contribute, then I'd appreciate a connection or a share if you have one.

Here's the link to the Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/614052254/under-the-mango-tree-food-health-and-love-in-ghana

Thanks!

Katrina


updated by @Katrina Moore: 04/24/15 00:52:38
Mim
@Mim
05/14/13 00:21:17
6 posts



I am certainly not in the same league as you guys, having just started an infinitesimal small home based business in a tiny country town south of Sydney, Australia... but I have been awed at the most informative, generous, intelligent and useful material in this discussion. Its the type of advice one would usually pay a lot for, IF one could find it.

My admiration and gratitude, alas, is all that I can contribute at this stage! Again, thank you heaps!

Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
05/06/13 14:32:34
157 posts



50/50 is the start of a distributor relationship, beware as heading that route with broker fees can get to 70% in heartbeats. We offer up to 30% and if a retailer wants more we explain that they can upcharge to finish off their margin requirements. They aren't coming to your store so it should be a premium and this is accepted with large brands to small. In our city you can find our products at a serious wide range of prices (sometimes I am astonished that our product can be sold for as much as some places do.)

Every case is going to be different but respect your time and your product and don't be quick to grow those discounts unless you can get the volume and ROI to make it worth your while.

Sue foster
@Sue foster
05/05/13 20:56:23
14 posts



Thank you all for the replies there's a lot of information there. With a lot of hard work I'm hoping I will be as successful in my chocolate business.

Thank you again

Sue


updated by @Sue foster: 01/20/15 15:24:01
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/05/13 12:12:50
527 posts



Karen;

That was an AWESOME summary. Thanks for also sharing the pitfalls you've run into. I've had gift basket companies try the same thing with me, but we have a firm policy in place which mandates the invoice be paid in full prior to my staff starting to work on it. It weeds out the small businesses who seem to feel they can use you as a bank to cashflow part of their business - businesses who always over promise and under deliverandareno good anyway.

Cheers and thanks again for sharing!

Brad

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/03/13 13:18:37
527 posts



Given that I've been seriously considering how I am going to continue expanding my business, I've looked into franchising, dealerships, joint ventures, and strict corporately owned stores. As such, I've explored many different pricing models and arrangements, and have talked to a lot of colleagues who move literally truckloads of product out their doors and into large chain stores every week.

The industry standard in the food business here in Canada seems to be 60 cents on the dollar for wholesale pricing. If the retailer sells the product for $10 in their store, they are typically buying it it for $6. That structure is for product which is already packaged and needs nothing done to it.

A 50/50 arrangement is only if the product still needs some kind of handling prior to selling - such as a bin of jellybeans that needs to be divided out and into bags with ribbon, etc. In this case, the retailer pays for their own packaging.

In both cases - whether a partially or fully assembled product, the price is always FOB the wholesaler's back door. The purchaser always procures adn pays for their ownshipping.

It may be different elsewhere, but that's pretty common here in Canada.

Cheers.

Brad

George Trejo
@George Trejo
05/03/13 11:55:05
41 posts



While probably a discussion for it's own post I can tell you what we've found.

You need to offer a 50% discount on your retail price, and your total cost of production should be 50% of your wholesale price.

Unless you're a well known brand this tends to be the kind of mark-up retail stores need to sell your product.

Sue foster
@Sue foster
04/28/13 22:25:17
14 posts



We are new to the business and have attended at least one event where your products were on display. While we plan on working the "shows" for awhile longer we do get inquiries about wholesaling from time to time. The profit margins are very close as it is, not so much with the ingredients but the labor involved, and discounting seems to be a problem. We extended an offer of 25% to one store and it wasn't accepted well. I was wondering what kind of discounts producers are offering to retailers.

Arcelia Gallardo
@Arcelia Gallardo
04/25/13 18:26:37
7 posts



For the most part the only people I know that have been successful with ONLY chocolate are in extremely high trafficked areas. Micheal Rechiutti does chocolate only but he is in the Ferry Building which is the number one tourist stop in SF and 2. he just opened Chocolate Lab where he makes desserts and other non chocolate items. I think Cocoa Bella is chocolate only but they are in the most popular mall in SF. Our best bean to bar makers in SF (Dandelion and Tcho) sell other items; hot/cold drinks, books, desserts and coffee. When Scharffen Berger was around they sold desserts, books and tshirts. La Maison, Jacques Torres, FIKA all have hot/cold drinks and some desserts. I am not sure if I am being helpful; successful is also a vague term; I am not sure if they are profitable if that is the measure of success you are asking. ONLY chocolate and seemingly successful: Richart, Teuscher, Christopher Elbow, Alegio.

Andrea B
@Andrea B
04/25/13 18:01:58
92 posts



HI,

I think looking at a balance sheet is a bit too simplified when considering the question. What comes in and out tells you how viable a business is that is up and running but it gives no indication or how viable a new business might be.

I am pretty familiar with various business models and I asked about her net numbers because she needs to think about how much cash she has on hand. I should have also asked questions like did she already pay herselfbefore accounting for her net profits or were her net profits her salary (yes, some people do this)? In addition to looking at her projections for this potential new retail space she needs to consider not only what she might do in business based on her current salesbut what the worst case scenario might be. No one wants to consider what the failure scenario might look like and how that will affect the overall business. How long can she sustain a retail location if sales are not as projected? How much debt is she comfortable carrying? How badly will it affect her current business and how long will it take to recoverif the retail space doesn't work out as projected. Will the wholesale side even survive if the retail side fails?

All of that said, I am impressed with her sales and with her initiative. There is something to be said for taking a risk, but it should be a calculated risk with all potential outcomes considered and not just a breakeven scenario.

I hope she keeps us posted on her decision!

Andrea

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/25/13 11:46:03
527 posts



Hi Andrea;

Net numbers / Balance Sheetsare arbitrary and are a function of accounting principles and tax mitigation practices. Statements of Cashflow are the best numbers to look at. What goes in and what goes out every month tells you how viable the business is.

Cheers.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/25/13 11:41:20
527 posts



Karen;

I'm glad I could help. The whole reason I got into this business was to unveil a lot of the secrets you allude to. There is enough room in this business for everybody (as long as you stay out of Calgary! LMAO).

Be careful about offering coffee in your shop. It is VERY aromatic, and chocolate LOVES to absorb odors from its environment. Any chocolate sitting on your shelves will very quickly become coffee flavoured. I have been experimenting with that for a couple of years now just to see what I can get away with, and the results haven't been good. I would LOVE to offer coffee service, but have resigned myself to offering one variety of real time grind/steep chocolate infused coffee, and let coffee shops do the rest. The smell is incredibly overpowering when we make even one cup.

Cheers.

Brad

Andrea B
@Andrea B
04/24/13 17:58:04
92 posts



I've been looking at this post and the replies and am kind of curious if anyone is willing to share their net numbers. I would think that gross numbers don't really paint a clear picture...

Andrea

Arcelia Gallardo
@Arcelia Gallardo
04/23/13 14:49:01
7 posts



Hi Karen, we have a 900sf space and have been open for a year and sell about 10k-16k per month with the exception of the holidays, Dec was 68k in retail sales. One thing we didn't consider was payroll taxes, in CA it's about 7k per employee per year so keep that in mind. I know smaller shops that are about the size of shop you are looking into and they are bringing about 100k in gross sales, 1 employee. But they nor we have the permit to do coffee which can change a lot of things because people will buy coffee daily. I agree you should think about the baked goods. We do bon bons and baked goods here. We have repeat customers for baked goods, 2-5 days of the week repeat and they come in for the chocolates for special occasions only. You can buy a small counter top oven for this. It is up to you if you want to use the same chocolate; if you are buying bulk it may be cheaper than buying smaller amounts of a less quality chocolate. Hope this helps. I think you should do it. It seems you have a following already and I would suggest doing classes in that new shop to help with revenue.

-Casa De Chocolates

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/22/13 10:37:04
527 posts



Shows: Your time is worth money. Calculate your time at $100 per hour starting with the minute you leave town, and by the time you get set up in Seattle and before you even sell a single confection you will have lost money. If markets were worth it, the big players would be in them. Markets are great for hobbyists, or as an inexpensive way to test new products. That's it.

Brownies vs. Luxury: Over the past 4 years I have built a reputation of producing THE best chocolate confections locally - even beating out Bernard Callebaut, a man who built his business into 22 stores, and is the grandson of Eugeneus Callebaut himself. I track every single transaction down to the millisecond and penny, and after putting 70,000 transactions through my stores, I can tell you definitively that pretentious "luxury" chocolate has it's place but doesn't pay your bills every month. The average customer walks through the doors of a chocolate shop on impulse. They will spendabout $20 and are in the mood to sate' their sweet tooth right then and there or maybe buy something for a dinner party that evening, or a colleague who's moving on. They don't want to spend a lot of money.

Chocolate is no different than any other industry. Women wear the fancy diamond necklaces for gala events, but inexpensive jewelry during the week to complement their outfits. Guys drive their honda accord to work and take out theFerrari on the weekends. People who can afford luxury items still appreciate and consume value priced items on a daily basis just like everybody else does. Stop alienating your lower income/"value pricedcustomers, and you will double your business.

Discounts: I was on your website and looked at your prices. I also know exactly what it costs to make chocolates, and what packaging costs are. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I find your prices outrageous. $20 for six 9 gram molded chocolates???? Really??? I can definitely see why you need to cross promote with discounts. Truth be told, Choklat doesn't cross promote, and NEVER offers a discount. Our prices are reasonable, our quality is beyond reproach, and we provide value. That same $20 spent for a pretentious box of 6 caramels in your shop would get a half a pound of fresh hand made truffles from one of my stores(and by "fresh" I mean, made right then and there, on the spot, specifically to the customer's specifications). That's FOUR times the amount ofa confection that's fresher than yoursfor the same price and with no discount. Local merchants are happy to promote us to their customers because they know their customer is going to be taken care of, and not price-gouged.

You asked for my opinion, so here it is: Whether your want it to come through or not, your website, products, packaging, and pricing come across as pretentious, yet as a person wanting to grow her business you don't.

  • Learn who your retail customers are and I think you will quickly see that your marketing strategy doesn't fit.
  • Differentiate your products from your peers. You do the same thing as every other chocolatier, so why should people buy yours at exorbitantly higher prices? (and you can't quote your awards because mostretail customersdon't know and don'tcare)
  • Use your awards and accolades to go after corporate orders, and be aggressive about it. Most corporate orders are about the bling of the box and the "prestige" of the product, and less about taste.
  • Offer fresh, value priced items that your locals can afford and consume on a regular basis. After all, when the tourists go home, they are the ones keeping your lights on.
  • Createa "Master's Collection" that is only offered at certain times of the year. The "Master's Collection" is premium priced, can include exotic flavours, has a limited quantity, and can still showcase your skill as an artist.
  • Remember: business is about making money, and there is a science and analytics that comes along with it.

Again, please don't take my comments as harsh or confrontational. They are just the pragmatic views/rants of a guy who has hit his head too many times riding his dirt bikes. :-)

Cheers.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/21/13 23:58:42
527 posts



Hi Karen;

Here are some tips. I hope they help:

1. If you are just a chocolate shop, 30% of your retail revenue is going to come from the 3 days surrounding Valentines, the three days leading up to Mother's Day, a small amount around Easter, and then the Christmas mayhem that starts November 1st and goes to December 24th at 3:00pm. The rest of the year your retail shop's sales will be dismal at best, boosted occasionally by a wedding or party, or some other singular.

2. You are spot on that your bread and butter shouldn't be exotic chocolate flavours. I've said many times over: "Find out what your customers want and then give it to them."

3. Pricing is important for your area. I sell a 92g,100% porcelana chocolate bar. Amedei sells a 53g porcelana chocolate bar (which I question is 100% porcelana, but that's a topic for another fight! haha!). Their bar retails here in Calgary for $25. All things being equal, my bar (which DOES taste better) should be $50! However Calgary isn't ready for a $50 chocolate bar yet, so I sell it for $12, and promote it as twice the value, for half the price just because I'm a redneck. You can charge more than your competitors (my chocolate is the most expensive in Calgary), but it better stand up to scrutiny and win EVERY time.

4. I have a 150 sq foot booth at a local prominent farmers Market on a trial basis, and it has just surpassed it's 12th month of operations. Gross Sales were $90,000 from that location, and while it's profitable, to me that number isa failure. Viable to me is at least 3 times that number per location. My Inglewood store is 100% retail ( I discount my product for nobody, and do not sell wholesale), and it does about $450,000 per year gross.

5. My third location is in amarquee financial building in our downtown core. I have a tiny little 150 square foot "closet" close to an entrance to another building. There is another veryestablished chocolatier 5 doors down from that location on the same floor (he tried selling me his business last summer, so I know what the numbers are).I opened it on January 21st of this year, and just on word of mouth, that tiny little space is killing him. He's not renewing his lease and willbe gone by June. That tiny little location in Bankers Hall is keeping up to my main, established store where all of the chocolate is made, and where customers have been going for 4 years. LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.

6. FIND OUT WHAT YOUR CUSTOMERS WANT - and this doesn't mean just chocolates and candies. We sell a TON of baked goods at our Bankers Hall location. Why? Office meetings, luncheons, a quick snack in the afternoon - things to boost sales in slow times. People eat brownies ever day?Yup. Abox of chocolates? Nope. All of these little things that are not "chocolates" increase sales, keep customers coming back, and keep reminding them we're here so that they remember us in the big margin times of the year.

7.Sit in a restaurant/coffee shop across the street from your store, at least once a week for the first while and watch people. If there's no coffee shop, then sit in your car. Where are they coming from? Where are they going? How many people are walking by? What do they have in their hands? Do they have coffee? What times of day are the busiest? What can you do to pull them off the street? Sit, and watch, and count. By doing this for my Bankers Hall location, I quickly learned that I need to offer coffee, so I'm currently working on a chocolate infused coffee. I'm tired of watching lines and lines ofwhite collar cattletrundle by every morning at 10am on their way to Starbucks for a fix. If we can cull some of those cattle, all the better for us.

8. If you get a store, stop doing farmers markets and trade shows. They aren't profitable, and I don't care how you slice it. Every event and market will only poach people that could go to your store and purchase. One of the reasons my Farmers Market location does poorly is because it's 5 minutes from my main store. Sales in my main store have suffered also as a result, but will return once the market location is closed. Train your customers to go to your store, and not a booth that you have to pay for at a market.

9. I am the King of classes. In the past 4 years I have personally hosted over 340 chocolate/wineevents in my Inglewood store, and have been hired to talk about chocolate all over Western Canada. 2500 people have paid $40 per person to hear me speak in my shop. At least that same amount have heard me talk at various seminars. The most lucrative events are the "truffle making" evenings. I charge $100 per person to, over two evenings, learn to make their own truffles. Each person makes their own centers, dips them, rolls them, and wraps them. Each person leaves with 60 truffles and a big smile. The profit is insane. I could easily sell 3 per month. As it is we host an average of 6 wine/chocolate events per month (Make about $300 profit per event) and are usually sold out a month in advance. Drop the tradeshows and do events! People PAY to become your customers and if they have fun will be your biggest advocate!!!

That should be a good start.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/21/13 20:48:38
1,689 posts



Karen -

There are so many ways to approach answering this question it's hard to begin.

Brad had some very good advice in the thread on coming up with a name for a new chocolate business and it call comes down to doing your homework, then doing some more. The main reason you're not finding the information you are looking for is that the information does not exist. There is no place to find numbers for how much revenue a small retail location "should" do. I am not surprised that the CoC and other local business resources can't help because they have no experience in this area.

Concept and execution are hugely important but not as important as understanding your market and giving them what they want.

Also - being precise: Is that $4k/month gross receipts or gross profits? On the one hand it would be tempting to conclude that you don't do anything and you can rake in $2k/month on incidental walk-in business in a hard-to-find location. Doubling that in a real retail location should be a no-brainer. But is it a brainer. In part because running a retail business is different from running a production business.

I do know that you can't take an "If I open it, they will come" attitude toward the shop. You need to think of the shop as one element of a campaign to grow your business and you need to decide what success means for you.

In my experience, business plans tend to be self-fulfilling prophecies. If you don't have high expectations going in, you won't achieve much. If the shop is going to be an engine of growth for you, think about what it might take to double sales and gross revenue. What does that mean? What will that take? Are you committed to doing it? Decide what the goal is then make the plan to reach the goal. You already have established a brand and a reputation so there's a solid foundation to build on.

But do your homework. What does the community want and need? Chances are it's not a place to buy obscure $10 chocolate bars - or at least not enough of them to keep the lights on and the doors open. Look around and see what's missing in the community that you can incorporate into your plan. The better prepared you are in this respect, the better your chances of achieving success - however you define it. But I would not go into this with low expectations - or that's all you may achieve.


updated by @Clay Gordon: 11/05/15 05:42:15
Illarion Makarikhin
@Illarion Makarikhin
04/20/13 02:11:16
2 posts

Brand name for our hand-made chocolate.


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Brad,

Thank you for such a comprehensiveanswer.

I completely agree with you that process of "branding"itselfcould take a lot of time and effort. And your"homework question" are not the least evidences of your words.

We willdefinitelycarry out this work. And itdefinitelytakes some (maybe a tangible amount of time). But we should start our activity - by presenting our products on ourwebsiteand among somesocialnetworkgroups. So, probably we should inventsomethingquickly and then, maybe, change this name to one we willfigureout (the names that have been spinning in our heads now is something like "Just. Chocolate" "Choco. Late" "Late. Choco" "Another Chocolate"

BTW, your brand name "Chocolat" is equal to a Russianpronunciationof Chocolate. :-)

Regards

Larry

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/19/13 11:50:13
527 posts

Brand name for our hand-made chocolate.


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Larry;

I think I can beof assistance here. Believe it or not, the difficulty is not coming up with the brand. That will appear in due time. The difficulty is in defining the brand, and this is something that takes a LOT of forward thinking - thinking that will conceptually take your product places you haven't even though of yet, and many years into the future.

There are many questions that need to be answered before the "brand" as you call it reveals itself to you - questions such as:

1. What are all the products you are going to offer?

2. Are you going to remain artisinal, or are you going to grow into many locations?

3. If you grow, are you planning on franchising, or owning all of the stores?

4. What message do you want to convey to your customers most, and how can that message be conveyed in less than 5 seconds?

5. What are your competitors doing?

6. How are you different than your competitors?

7. Where in the market are you positioning your products? High end? Mid-priced? Value priced?

8. What kind of budget do you have for art work and branding?

9. Has one of your competitors already done something similar?

10. What fonts and color schemas are you settling on?

11. Do any of your competitors use the same, or similar fonts and colors?

12. Once you settle on a few, you may need to do trademark research too.

13. Then... after doing all of that homework, do some initial creative, and run it by a group of 10-20 people you know who will give you HONEST feedback. It's easy getting flattering feedback from friends, as nobody wants to hurt your feelings. Ask them what they don't like, as it's more important than what they DO like.

I cannot stress enough, the importance of THOROUGHLY answering these questions, when planning and researching your brand. I did 3 years of research on my brand "Choklat" and corporate image before sending a single piece of artwork off to a printer.

There isn't a single person out there in ChocolateLife Land who can give you the answer to your question here, because they don't know the answers to these questions. Any answer you get that you like will be as likely as winning a lottery.

I hope this helps.

Brad

Choklat

Illarion Makarikhin
@Illarion Makarikhin
04/19/13 08:33:25
2 posts

Brand name for our hand-made chocolate.


Posted in: Opinion

Dear friends,

Creative help needed!. I'm from Ukraine. Some times ago we have discovered this amazing and fascinating hobby, that now has been slowly but surelytransformedinto a small business.

We produce different kinds of bars, barks and truffles. All the clients we had before were our family members and friends. Now however we want to present our products at the local market via internet shop (in development)

And we've faced difficulties naming our brand. We've been searching on the Internet for a good, sound, associative, creative and not a navie name but still no good solution found.

We think that it should be short name, as we want to join it with the bar (truffles) name later on.

We would be greatly appreciated to this nice site community for any suggestion in that matter.

Kind Regards

Larry


updated by @Illarion Makarikhin: 05/09/15 02:53:26
Andy Koller
@Andy Koller
08/13/14 00:59:29
15 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Brad,

have read the discussion here about wheter pre-grinding is necessary or not. And I can see the viewpoints of the persons answered to this.
To me, I would personally skip pregrinding without hesitation BUT there is one point why I'm not sure to skip it.
At the moment I use the champion juicer to pregrind. What I like most is that the champion does "pick out" the few left over shells, which didn't go of at winnowing (I believe there is always a bit of shells leftover even there might be better and worse results of winnowing).
This is the reason why I'm considering pregrinding. I really would like to filter the last shells out of my final product; due to taste).
The other options, like using a peanut butter machine is nice but lacks the screening.

Do you know a good way to filter the last shells?
This can be with pre-grinding or even an own process step (if existing).

I would appreciate your opinions to the screening issue.

Thanks,
Andy

Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/20/14 15:22:30
754 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Sorry for the late response mike - have been tied up. There are pros/cons to everything - it depends on what your goal is. Pregrinding your nibs can be very beneficial in that it can:

1) increase your throughput via reducing the duration spent in later steps

2) may decrease your moisture (liquor has moisture), thereby reducing your conch times / viscosity

3) may result in finer finished chocolate

The cons may include:

1) additional equipment and process steps

as noted initially, these things are VERY dependent upon your setup and your goals. Do you need it? No. Can it be beneficial? Certainly. Will it help you achieve your goals? That depends on what your goals are 8-) Don't you hate 'it depends' answers - but the reality is - it depends. Given your budget constraints, i'm going to assume it's a VERY small operation, and as such i'd probably suggest you just skip a pre grind step and live with the extra time spent in a rotary mill. Perhaps a quick run through food processor or blender to get the nibs smaller by a bit, but you may not find value in investing in another piece of equipment at this stage of your work.

I do echo the sentiment that post milling screening is important - regardless of the type of quantity of mills you have.

Mike3
@Mike3
05/03/13 09:34:10
63 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Ok, thanks for clarifying. The design of the Cocoatown grinders are what's driving me to look at pre-grinders to begin with.

It looks like the peanut butter machines are single pass types, more similar to an espresso grinder, so there shouldn't be any large particles in the output. I think I need to go buy some grind-my-own peanut butter and see what comes out.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/24/13 14:36:06
527 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

My refiners are like MacIntyre's - a horizontal drum with blades that rotate and scrape the inside of the drum.

For the most part, all of the nibs are ground, however there is a 4 inch guillotine spout at the bottom where nibs get trapped during refining. When my staff open thespout to drain the chocolate, the nibs that got trapped in there when they were first poured into the machine are washed out. This can be mitigated by my staff stopping the machine and pouring out a small amount of chocolate into a bucket and dumping it back in to the top. However sometimes they don't have the time. In one recent case, a small stone even made it through, so you can see how important it can be to strain it.

With the cocoa-town grinders, nibs and sugar stick to the insides of the wheels, the support structure for the wheels, and so forth, and never get ground. Then when the machine is emptied and scraped out, they get cleaned out and into the chocolate.

Hope that helps.

Mike3
@Mike3
04/24/13 11:21:34
63 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks for all the replies. I guess I can't get around straining, but I am still interested in the time savings I'd get with the pregrinder + cocoatown set up. I'm making around 100 lbs a week, and that will go up if I can cut down the processing time.

Brad--I'm glad you chimed in because your set up is part of what got me thinking about alternative refining/grinding methods. Can you clarify though---with your refiners, how do chunks make it through? Or is there so much left inside after running a batch through, you need to scrape out the insides where there are nibs in various degrees of refinement? I picture these refiners and pregrinders as similar to my espresso grinder (a commercial burr grinder), where anything that doesn't fit through the set gap size doesn't come out the other end.

Thomas Snyder
@Thomas Snyder
04/21/13 10:29:07
26 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I think I read on chocolate alchemy that the champion's cutter wheel needs to be replaced every 250-300 lbs of beans. It's not impervious to damage, it's just plastic and steel.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/20/13 16:48:26
527 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I have a champion juicer. I had it before I started making chocolate, and used it all the time. I think it cost me something like $350 CDN. When I first started "pre-grinding" my nibs, the burs were sharp. Within just a few uses, the burs were dull and more or less useless for anything.

I started heating the nibs, cocoa butter, and even the bowl and wheelsof my santha knock-off, and never looked back. Regardless of whether I preground stuff or not, it was still taking the same amount of time to drive off the volatiles. I wish I would have known sooner. It would have saved me yet one more damaged piece of kitchen equipment thanks to those rock hard cocoa nibs!

Most of the artisans I communicate regularly with on another forum have also stopped using the juicer (including the forum owner himself), as there is no real benefit found from it - just cost.

Now having said that, if you are simply looking at particle reduction, well.... I guess it could save time. However in my opinion that takes a backseat to flavour development, and to be candid, happens anyway when developing a good flavour.

Cheers.

Brad

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/20/13 14:33:15
1,689 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Brad -

Are you sure there's NO benefit? I my experience, it's a lot easier and faster to fill a CocoaTown with liquor than it is using nib. Also, because of the pre-grind step, batches tend to need to spend less time in the CocoaTown to get to the desired PSD. For the same reasons, I find that pre-grinding the sugar also reduces the amount of time needed in the CocoaTown.

For very small batch production it's one of the things that a Champion is good for, and I also refine up the whole vanilla bean in the sugar in the food processor.

Now - it's important to note that these pre-grind steps, especially when it comes to sugar, can have an effect on the final taste of the chocolate. So it's important to pay attention so you know what's going on.

And I completely agree, Brad -- sieves are very cheap and I would recommend that they be used for all production, no matter what type of machinery is being used, and even if pre-grinding is used. YOU NEVER KNOW what might be in the chocolate. A piece of metal could flake off. A sieve will catch it (especially if it is magnetized).

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
04/19/13 18:39:22
527 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Mike;

Grinding your nibs prior to putting them into the cocoatown mill, will not eliminate the need to strain your chocolate. It is an imperfect device. I use conche/refiners specifically designed for making chocolate, and we ALWAYS find nibs when we drain it out. The only time you wouldn't need to strain your chocolate would be if you are using a roll refinerfor your sugar and cocoa beans prior to putting them into your machine.

A good commercial sieve way cheaper and a heck of a lot less messy than another machine.

For very small scale, there is no benefit/need to pre-milling your nibs and sugar.

Mike3
@Mike3
04/19/13 16:27:40
63 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks Ben and Sebastian for your replies. Ben, thanks for posting the video link, I'd seen it before and it does look like peanut butter, but I'd like to know if chunks come through, or if the paste is a uniform particle size.

Sebastian--I'd be running just nibs through the pre-grinder prior to loading them in a Cocoatown refiner. My budget pretty much limits me to buying an Olde Tyme nut butter grinder, like the one in the video Ben posted. With the Cocoatown, no matter how much scraping I do, there always seems to be a few nibs that don't get refined and have to be strained out prior to molding. A pre-grinder, so long as no chunks come through, would eliminate the straining step. Knowing the particle size would help me determine how much refining time I'd save with pre-grinding.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/19/13 15:20:10
754 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Depends a great deal on the specifics - what type of pre grinder? how's it configured? what are you running through it (EXACT %'s), your % fat in your paste, how big your particles are to begin with (ie 1000 um sugar will result in a very different end product than if you start with 500 um sugar).

Potomac Chocolate
@Potomac Chocolate
04/19/13 13:35:56
191 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I don't know the particle size, but I'd imagine it's similar to what you'd get running peanuts through it. It's kind of a thick, chunky paste. To get an idea of the consistency, see this video from Dandelion Chocolate:

http://www.dandelionchocolate.com/2011/08/15/new-first-stage-grinder/

Mike3
@Mike3
04/18/13 09:06:14
63 posts

Pre Grinders and particle size


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi All,

I'm considering adding a pre-grinder to my set up (probably a nut butter type), but I'm wondering if any one out there already using one can tell me what particle size you get after a single pass through? Is it the same particle size you'd get running peanuts through it?

Thanks,

Mike


updated by @Mike3: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Pat Renner
@Pat Renner
04/22/13 07:26:23
4 posts

Stubborn milk crystals


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Clay, taking the temp to 120F and holding for about 45 minutes worked well!The chocolate looks and tastes good.

Thanks for the tip- I thought I posted this before.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/19/13 15:21:26
754 posts

Stubborn milk crystals


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Prob not what you want to hear - but i'd most likely discard it.

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